Inspections for Registry?

I am breeding my mare to a Trakehner stud. I am going to have her inspected to see if she can get into the stud book and I am going to have the foal inspected. It got me thinking - why don't all breeds do this? All warmblood breeds have an inspection stage where the horse is inspected in order to be able to breed them.

I always wondered why the Paint registry allows solid horses in the registry - or why they allow them in and breedable. Many warmblood breeds will allow a horse in just by lineage, but may not approve them for breeding. Maybe the paint registry needs to do this with solid horses - after all, they are not a good example of the breed.

Why don't quarter horses and thoroughbreds do this either? Any thoughts? Anyone else think inspections for all breeds is a good idea? It may cut down on the stallion population a bit, and backyard breeders (understanding that some backyard breeders don't care about papers) if a horse has to be inspected to be able to breed.

2008-04-28T08:24:54Z

ContendWithSkip:

The warmblood registries look primarily at confirmation. I am not asking that a paint registry look only at color - but confirmation and color, since color is a primary characteristic of the breed. An inspection should always look at confirmation, according to breed standards. So, why wouldn't the paint registry limit its breedable horses to color and confirmation? What will happen to the solid mares is likely what will happen to the solid geldings - sale to good homes, provided the breeder is reputable. There can still be shows for solid paints, and many warmbloods are registered, just not able to breed - but they can still compete. So, why not limit the paint registry to this - or any other registry for that matter? (color for color breeds, and confirmation)

2008-04-28T08:25:36Z

ContendWithSkip:

The warmblood registries look primarily at confirmation. I am not asking that a paint registry look only at color - but confirmation and color, since color is a primary characteristic of the breed. An inspection should always look at confirmation, according to breed standards. So, why wouldn't the paint registry limit its breedable horses to color and confirmation? What will happen to the solid mares is likely what will happen to the solid geldings - sale to good homes, provided the breeder is reputable. There can still be shows for solid paints, and many warmbloods are registered, just not able to breed - but they can still compete. So, why not limit the paint registry to this - or any other registry for that matter? (color for color breeds, and confirmation)

2008-04-28T11:14:12Z

Ohh...oops on the double post - yahoo told me they were 'taking a break', so I resubmitted and apparently it had gone through the first time...

See arr Arr - interesting point. With the Trakehner and American Warmblood (the only breeds I have looked into in depth) both the stallion and mare have to be inspected in order for the foal to be eligible for inspection, and registered. With my mare and the Trakehner studbook- she is a thoroughbred and they allow thoroughbreds and arabians into the studbook (after passing inspection - they do not allow other breeds). So, if she passes, her child is an anglo-trakehner; if she doesn't pass, it would be a part trakehner. Still not full trakehner, but anglo (or arab) means the dam is in the books and holds more weight.

I defintely know what you are talking about - both in thoroughbred and standardbred racing I have heard 'she has great bloodlines, did poor at the track...so we are breeding her!' because she won't pass on her poor DNA?

.2008-04-28T08:20:26Z

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I agree 110% with you...we need ALL breeds to be held to such strict standards. Of course, some people might not care about papers. Still others might be content to be able to prove a horse's lineage through its parents, and not care about registering those parents' offspring. (You see that a lot with dogs.) That being said, I still think it would cut down somewhat on the numbers of horses bred.

This is largely an American problem. There, I said it!

However, some people don't care about much in a paint or an appy (to use a couple of well-known examples) other than flashy color...and color requires no papers. Colored breeds are just as important as breeds not as easily recognizable by their appearance; however, they certainly do present their own sets of problems among the more unscrupulous. These people might not give a hoot about the horse's registration status so long as it had beeyooteeful blue eyes and "lots of chrome". This is the main beef I have with "color registries". Now, I love flashy horses as much as the next horse-crazy person, but if standards were (A LOT) stricter for breeding them, we'd have a lot less sub-par "pretty" horses wandering around the feedlots.

see arr harr2008-04-28T10:38:20Z

Interesting question.

For all the breed societies I've had any dealings with, the only requirements needed to register a foal as that breed is undeniable proof that both parents are of that breed. (Both parents must be registered.) Stallions have to be licensed, which ranges from an application along the lines of "please may my young colt be registered as a stallion, cheers", through a five-stage vetting (identical to a pre-purchase) to check for any problems, up to an inspection by 5 members of the breed society's council. A foal can go in the stud book if its dam is registered that breed and the sire is registered and licensed.

There needs to be more emphasis on the mare. There is a feeling amongst some breeders that mares are "carriers"; a poor quality yearling colt would be gelded and sold on, but a poor quality yearling filly is frequently kept and bred from. Some lines of some breeds are dreadful, and have some terrible reputations - but if you breed for quantity not quality that's what will happen. That's the kind of behaviour that can ruin a breed.

Challenging the mindset that mares with ugly heads and dodgy legs can be "improved on" by breeding to a half decent stallion is bigger than I can cope with. I've tried, and failed, to introduce compulsary mare inspections (on par with stallion gradings) within a breed society, and was shot down. I'll keep trying, though!

ContendWithSkip2008-04-28T08:14:46Z

A note on solid paint horses; They do inspect some paints in order to get normal registry (those who have questionable markings), but the breeding stock is a registry of its own (there is limitations what can be done with a breeding stock).
I sort of look at registration as an insurance policy in the terms of breeding stocks; although they cannot be entered into most paint shows (although sections of the world show are dedicated just to solids), they can still have nice breeding and be nice pleasure horses. The main barn I buy my paints from (my breeding stocks) use the solid mares that have the nice build for breeding. They have come up with several reserve world champions and two world champions in the world paint show from solid mares. I would rather have a solid with the good build than a regular registry paint with bad build.
Registration in that sense is much a proof of lineage... think about all the breeding stocks and how many nice ones would end up in bad situations if they could not have proof on who the stud and the dam were. Trust me, the barns would not be buying up all the cheap solids if there was no guarantee on breeding.
Many of the breeding stock mares still carry the paint gene (2/3 of the solids usually). They can be bred to nice studs and make nice babies as long as they have the confirmation for it. One of my solid's dam is a solid, but so far she has produced two world champions (full siblings to my solid). If solids with that great breeding cannot get papers, that is one more horse that will possibly end up in the slaughter pen, so I think the papers are very necesary.
It really irritates me when I see horses being bred for color that have nice markings but a crooked stifle or some sort of major problem... not registering solids would only increase this problem.
Backyard breeders are still going to breed no matter what, they can get some unregistered stud from some auction to breed their mares to no matter what you do.

Anonymous2008-04-28T06:44:30Z

Warmbloods are registered according to European standards which are stricter than American ones. American registries only guarantee bloodlines, not quality. It's too bad because that creates a lot of worthless horses that end up neglected or run through a sale. I agree with you. Our standards for breeding horses should be like Europe's.

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