Do the twelve stars in Rev. 12.1 refer to the twelve apostles?

Morning Star2008-08-09T07:24:15Z

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In Genesis (Joseph's dream in Genesis 37:1-10) , Jacob clearly understood that he was the sun, his wife was the moon, and his twelve children were the stars. This is the root of the nation of Israel. In Revelation, these symbols are used for two reasons. One is to signify the root of the woman portrayed there, that she is Israelitish: sun, moon, stars?Jacob, Rachel, and the twelve sons.

PS : Shalom to you.

angelmusic2008-08-08T21:55:14Z

To add to what Party's comment said, we see that the number 12 is commonly associated with organizational arrangements, ie

12 tribes of fleshly Israel
12 apostles
12 tribe of spiritual Israel
12 gates, 12 angels, and 12 foundation stones of New Jerusalem

PARTYMARTY2008-08-08T21:30:39Z

*** re chap. 27 p. 178 par. 5 God’s Kingdom Is Born! ***

5 Exactly what, though, is Jerusalem above? Since Paul spoke of her as “above,” and John sees her in heaven, she is clearly not an earthly city; neither is she the same as “New Jerusalem,” since that organization is the bride of Christ, not Jehovah’s wife. (Revelation 21:2) Notice that she is crowned with 12 stars. The number 12 is associated with completeness in an organizational setting. Hence, these 12 stars seem to indicate that she is an organizational arrangement in heaven, just as ancient Jerusalem was on earth. Jerusalem above is Jehovah’s universal organization of spirit creatures that acts as his wife, both in serving him and in producing offspring.

Anonymous2008-08-08T21:24:35Z

No the 12 sons of Jacob (Old Testatment) The are referred to the 12 Tribes.

Edit~ those thumbing us all down, don't understand the Bible

Also, Isabella give book, chapter, and verse where it says "Mary is Queen of Heaven"

"12:1-2 explanatory prophecies that describe some of the major personages and movements of the latter half of the Tribulation period. The woman represents Israel, and her child is Christ, the Messiah . The woman is not the church, since the church did not bring forth Christ, but rather He brought forth the church. Her identification as the persecuted Jewish saints clearly proves that the church is not under her feet alludes to God's promise of dominion, and the crown of twelve stars pictures royalty and relates to the 12 tribes of Israel. The birth pains refer to the period before the birth of Christ when Israel was waiting for redemption by the Messiah."

Robert: sorry that is not Mary who is the king's wife. The BRIDE is the church. Give book, chapter, and verse that says Mary the mother of Jesus is the queen and is now in heaven? Your view is taken by the Catholic and Orthodox church twist on scripture.

Remember, to study to show YOURSELF approved.

Where is the word 'bible' in the scriptures? It's just the name of the collected books. Where in the scripture is the word Catholic? Rapture is the English word ... it means caught up.

Mary is not the one who SAVES us. She is only to be respected not worshiped and place on the same level as the Godhead. Even Jesus said; who is my mother?

Anonymous2008-08-08T21:25:55Z

Yes. The twelve disciples came forth from the twelve tribes of Israel. They are the most faithful of all God's people!

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