Thoughts on last night's 20/20 show?

Did anyone watch 20/20 last night? Your thoughts? Are you an adoptee? Adoptive parent? Prospective adopter?

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2008-11-29T21:49:44Z

RE:PAP's reluctance to adopt older children: Why are so many PAP's willing to adopt older children from other countries (orphanages), yet not from foster care in America?

As many as 25% of these adoptions are "disrupted", according to the show. That's a pretty high %! Maybe it SHOULD be reported as a possible 'norm' (or common) so PAP's are more fully prepared?

The adoptive mom didn't want to have her life or marriage or family "disrupted"?

Might it be "disruptive" to the children to have their names changed, taken from their country, culture, language & everything familiar & placed with "new parents" who can't even communicate on a basic level, but expect them to learn English (overnight)? How about an interpreter? A Russian Au Pair (with all their $$)?

The adoptive dad said that adoption is "buying children"...! Hmmm

Thanks to all for your thoughts!

2008-11-29T21:55:58Z

AND...everything Caitlin said! The producers didn't include the children's points of view!

Sofiakat2008-11-29T20:50:49Z

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okay so I watched it, eyes riveted to my computer screen. 10 minutes in I burst into tears.
The video they took of the eldest child having a "melt down" as they called it, was exactly what I saw the first year my son lived with us.
Ironically, it was the hours of screaming that brought me here to Yahoo.
My son and daughter (they are biological siblings) were not adopted internationally, but thru foster care.
My heart is breaking for those children. I am overwhelmed with grief for them. I cannot stand the fact that their "parents" would even consider disrupting the adoption.
So much of what they said rang true to my experience, but my God, those children are children not puppies, NOT dolls, NOT replaceable.
It is hard. It is damn hard. But harder more for him than for me.
There is no "last straw" for me. I knew that the first time he tried to disembowel my cat and when he tried to cut off my rat's tail. I knew that when he destroyed things my dead mother gave me that were irreplaceable. I knew that. I just knew. There will NEVER be disruption here.
What really got me though is that they sent their daughter away to boarding school. Yes, gee, cuz that is sure to heal RADs. Are they idiots? And what business did they have adding to their family while their daughter so obviously needed every ounce of them? For God sakes!!@$@#$@#
You would think, me of all people would understand where they are coming from, but they need to be slapped and slapped hard. It seems to me that all the choices they made for these kids had NOTHING to do with the kids, and more about fulfilling what they themselves wanted.
I used to read others on here talk about the "me me me!" syndrome stemming from some PAPs. I don't think I fully understood what they were talking about until now.
I am very overwhelmed by this.

Jennifer L2008-11-30T04:33:36Z

I didn't see the broadcast, but I did read the transcript.

It also seems to me that the family had some pretty unreasonable expectations of older children coming from an orphanage/institutional setting in another country. Every single resource I've ever read discusss the possibility (or probability) of emotional issues and delays due to simply coming from that setting. I can't figure out how they were surprised that the children they adopted had some scars from what they'd been through. Either they didn't do any research at all, or just felt that it couldn't happen to them, that love could conquer all, etc. The expectations that they seemed to place upon the children just wasn't reasonable or realistic.

I agree that the family should at least have done the Rosetta Stone for Russian and even if they weren't fluent speakers, should have been prepared to speak the language enough to communicate basic needs. I can't imagine how frustrating it would have been to those children to not be able to make themselves understood.

I know I keep coming back to this, but APs need to really keep their expectations in check. That's probably one of the biggest reasons that older child adoptions are disrupted: the adoptive parents expect more than what the child is capable of at that time, then punish the child accordingly. It just sets everyone up for failure and frustration.

I also don't like how these situations are presented as the "norm" in older child adoption. There are many adoptive families that aren't in chaos, even though the children were adopted at an older age (either domestic or overseas). But with the overemphasis on the negative experiences, is there any wonder why PAPs are so reluctant to adopt children older than 2 or 3?

Finally, I do think it's unforgivable to drag those children in front of the media like that, having all of their personal trauma aired for the nation. I think it was irresponsible of the adoptive parents and of the journalists to allow that. Interview the APs, the experts or whatever, but leave the children out of the camera.

Anonymous2008-12-01T21:38:59Z

I think that is a very sad situation for all parties involved. It's not the adoptees fault, it's not the adoptive parents fault, however, I am surprised that there are not more of these types of stories. Can you imagine? Moving to a new country with strangers, where the language, food, scents, mannerisms, people, etc., are so very different than you are accustomed?

There is one very important point that they did not explore further that bothered me, and it was the abuse that they claimed these children suffered in their orphanages.

I also believe that with any life changing experience, you need to explore the pros and cons, and do it to the fullest extent.

I can tell you this. I learned so much, but soon realized after our daughter's placement, that I have to learn so much more. That is the story of life.

As far as the choice between international and domestic adoptions goes, certainly, as an American, I would like to see children from our country adopted first, but then in God's eyes, we are ALL his children, and adoption for a couple is a personal choice for them, and their decision, not ours.

Anonymous2008-11-30T05:19:53Z

This is extremely disturbing. I am an adoptee, and the part that disturbs me is the, "We didn't want a perfect child, but we didn't want a child that would break up our family, cause problems in our marriage etc."

Any child, adopted or biological, can cause huge problems in a family. Ask any family that has had a child with severe autism, or depression or anything. If you are adopting or having a child, you must be prepared for the worst. That may sound pessimistic, but the fact is that we don't choose how our children turn out. We must love them no matter how they turn out.... adopted, biological, "Normal" or not.

I am still watching it so I just wanted to add that I cannot believe the parents are suing the adoption agency! Yes, they should have been warned. I get that. That is why I completely support adoption reform. BUT these parents should have been a)intelligent enough to do the research and b) less selfish. They talk about all this money they have spent on their kids problems, but look at their house... they have a long way to go before they are truly destitute. And biological parents often end up having to spend tons of money on their children's problems and disabilities or illnesses as well. They don't go trying to sue God or anything!

I understand that it is difficult. Adoption comes with its own set of problems, but parents should be prepared to realize that when you adopt a child it is for life. You cannot reject a child based on their medical problems or their behavior. You cannot just abandon them because they do not fit into your idea of a perfect family.

jewels2008-11-30T04:04:53Z

I thought it was very disturbing for many reasons. I think the AP's especially the mom had serious issues. They brought home an 11yo child from a Russian orphanage and expected her to not have any issues. That seems stupid. After not being able to raise her appropriately, they adopt another child who has the same types of issues. Makes a lot of sense (sarcasm)! They throw it up in the daughter's face that she should be grateful. They caught that on camera. Really crappy! They videotape personal problems so other people can see what they go through. Really selfish. They are suing the adoption agency for problems that even bio children can have. Crappy as well! They never learned to speak any Russian but couldn't understand why the 11 yo would have a meltdown the first week she was there. They obviously favored one child over the other. Must I go on?!?!?

Do people who adopt older children from foreign orphanages really expect them to come home with no issues? Do they really live in a fantasy world?

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