Offside is when an offensive player enters the defensive zone before the puck (is this correct?)
Does this include the following situation? Offensive player enters the defensive zone with the puck (i.e., since he's playing it, it goes in before he does). He shoots to another offensive player who has entered the defensive zone after him. The 2nd offensive player shoots it back into the center area. At this point, there are 2 offensive players in the defensive zone. If someone shoots it back into the defensive zone, is it offiside?
Can an offensive player enter the defensive zone if no one is playing there? Or is this still offside?
Feel free to explain in comparison to soccer, where I do understand the offside rule.
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You are correct with the explination.
They would be offsides in that situation. If the puck goes out of the zone, all the players have to clear out of the zone('tag up') or they would be offsides.
A player can enter the defensive zone when no one is playing there. However, if he or any of his teammates touched the puck in the offensive zone, it would then be offsides.
Here's a video with an explinationhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXd4jtSfvLo
this is a little childish http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsN7Eum7OvU&feature=related
A goal cannot be scored when a player is offsides either. Here's Hasek being Hasek http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_c_7l1vjtM&feature=related
I play both hockey and soccer, and I was a referee and am a fan of both sports, however, the only thing that both offside rules share is the name. You cannot compare hockey with soccer in terms of offside. There are some similar examples/correlations (Ball=Puck and Last Defender=Blue Line) but there is no absolute relationship. Also, in soccer a player who is offside when the ball is played cannot return onside and go get the ball after. In hockey, if you clear the zone (and everyone else has on your team) you may go back in.
If i understand your question correctly, no it is not. However this depends on the rules (NHL vs IIHF). If an offensive player touches the puck, it is an offside though.
If a player from Team A skates into the offensive zone (where Team B's goalie is) first and passes the puck within the zone, it is not offside. If the puck returns to the neutral zone, then all players must clear the zone and wait until the last player is out before anyone can go back in. If a player on Team A dumps the puck back in while players are still in the zone, there are 2 different scenarios (depending on the rules, again NHL vs IIHF):
IIHF [International Ice Hockey Federation]: If, when the player on Team A dumps the puck, it either hits the goalie or goes in the net, the play is stopped (goal is disallowed) and play resumes via a faceoff in the neutral zone as the offside infraction has been commited.
Also, if a linesman judges that the play has gone on too long in the defensive zone (where Team B goalie is) due to one or more attackers not exiting the zone, then an offside can also be called.
If an attacker receives the dumped puck (lets say it was passed back to him from the neutral zone to the offensive zone) then the play is offside.
In all other cases, if the puck is not touched by either the goalie or an offside attacker, the play proceeds without an offside (defense can play the puck out of the zone).
NHL [National Hockey League]: If a goal is scored in the dump in, the goal is disallowed, as in IIHF. The difference is that if it hits the goalie (but a save is made) play continues, but all attacking players must clear the zone. This is delayed offside.
If an attacker receives the dumped puck (lets say it was passed back to him from the neutral zone to the offensive zone) then the play is offside.
In all other cases, if the puck is not touched an offside attacker, the play proceeds without an offside (defense can play the puck out of the zone).
The slight difference is that in NHL, an offensive player (from Team A) must provoke the offside by touching the puck. If this is done intentionally, a faceoff can take place in the defensive zone of Team A (where the Team A goalie is) but this is rarely done.
The difference between soccer and hockey is that hockey has a fixed location (the blue line) to determine off sides. In soccer it varies based on the position of the defensive players.
In the scenario you propose, the play is considered offside when the puck enters the zone the second time. Whenever the puck leaves the zone, all players must also leave that zone at the same time before the puck can be played legally in the zone again.
Players are permitted to skate in the offensive zone before the puck enters it. As soon as the puck enters, you are now looking at an offside situation again. If the puck is shot in, it would be a delayed offside, carried in would result in an immediate whistle.
most of the answers are correct this is offsides, however it in the nhl its not offsides till an offensive player touches while still considered offside. If you watch hockey sometimes they will dump the puck into the offensive zone even though their players are still in it to change etc. this is delayed offsides. However you cant score a goal this way which is important to note. offsides in hockey s determined soley by the puck and the blue line, as in soccer it is determined by the ball and last defender.
If you want an soccer example, soccer has delayed offsides as well it is not offsides until an offsides player plays the ball, or gains an advantage by being offsides (ie screening the goalie etc). A soccer player can certainly stand offsides all he wants in hockey and soccer. HOWEVER in soccer you are off sides only if you are in the play or gaining an advantage as said before BUT in hockey your team is offsides regardless if you're in the play or not
If a player goes past the other teams blue line and is passed the puck from outside the blue line it is offside. Basically the puck has to be inside the blue line before a player. So if you have the puck you can go in with the puck. But if the puck isn't passed the blue line and then you go in it will be offside. It is sort of complicated. Offsides can happen frequently or rarely. It depends on the teams skill level, and age. As for penalties they can happen more then penalties if a team doesn't take a lot of penalties, but if they do it can be less comon. It all depends on the team.