rate which hopeless dragon deck is better?

Monsters: 21

1x Dark Armed Dragon
2x The Dark Creator
2x White Night Dragon
2x Dark horus
3x Red Eyes Darkness Metal Dragon
2x magna drago
1x dark resonator
2x masked dragon
2x Armageddon Knight
2x Phantom of Chaos
1x strong wind dragon
1x red eyes wyvern

Magic: 14

3x Trade In
2x Advance Draw
2x Allure of Darkness
1x Heavy Storm
1x monster reborn
1x Gold Sarcophagus
1x Mystical Space Typhoon
2x D.D.R - Different Dimension Reincarnation
1x upstart goblin

Trap: 5

1x Mirror Force
1x Torrential Tribute
3x dark bribe















Monsters: 21

1x Dark Armed Dragon
2x The Dark Creator
2x White Night Dragon
1x Dark Nephthys
3x Red Eyes Darkness Metal Dragon
2x Koa'Ki Meiru Drago
2x Black Salvo
2x Blast Sphere
2x Armageddon Knight
1x Dark Grepher
2x Phantom of Chaos
1x magno drago

Magic: 13

3x Trade In
2x Advance Draw
2x Allure of Darkness
1x Heavy Storm
1x monster reborn
1x Gold Sarcophagus
1x Mystical Space Typhoon
2x D.D.R - Different Dimension Reincarnation

Trap: 6

1x Mirror Force
1x Torrential Tribute
3x dark bribe
1x bottomless

2009-08-18T18:57:05Z

im going to go with my first one. here is an update. thank you, any more help will be great

Monsters: 23

1x Dark Armed Dragon
2x The Dark Creator
2x White Night Dragon
2x Dark horus
3x Red Eyes Darkness Metal Dragon
1x Norleras
2x magna drago
1x dark resonator
2x masked dragon
2x Armageddon Knight
2x Phantom of Chaos
1x strong wind dragon
2x red eyes wyvern

Magic: 13

3x Trade In
2x Advance Draw
2x Allure of Darkness
1x Heavy Storm
1x monster reborn
1x Gold Sarcophagus
1x Mystical Space Typhoon
2x D.D.R - Different Dimension Reincarnation

Trap: 7

1x Mirror Force
1x Torrential Tribute
3x dark bribe
1x bottomless
1x deck dev. virus

Anonymous2009-08-18T13:54:40Z

Favorite Answer

The first, add a second Red-eyes Wyvern

Yes I agree with Xitong, Norleras is a must in hopeless dragon, his ability can easily get you out of near fatal situations and with Wyvern and Darkness having no monsters is normally no problem, so def put in a nother wyvern

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?2009-08-18T22:22:43Z

Like everybody said, the first one since it si more consisent witohut black salvos. ADD A SKY SCOURGE NORLERAS AND A DECK DEVASTATION VIRUS. the phantom of chaos works amazingly well with norleras. and deck devastation virus is pretty broken in the meta now. And replace strong wind dragon with a prime material dragon. And do not add tuners to hopeless dragon. (they will slow down the deck actually)

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Woodrow Starnes2009-08-18T20:37:30Z

Definitely the first though bottomless would be good in it and upstart goblin isn't necessary.

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dart_the _legend2009-08-18T20:15:10Z

I think the first one is

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