How many "skeptics" have actually ever studied genuined reports of UFO activity?
I don't mean listening to news reports or their friends. I mean an actual for real study such as was done by J Allen Hynek and reported in his two books. Have any taken the time to read the books written by Hynek? He is one of (if not the ) top investigators into UFOs. He worked for the USAF in the position at Project Blue Book. How many of you de-bunkers have that level of education and qualification? How many of you can get a security clearance that high.The govt. is not going to hire hire incompetents for a position like that.
2010-08-30T05:58:42Z
Hynek actually studied the phenomonon, unlike other scientists. He received reports from all over the world and in fact he debunked most of them. However, some are backed up with evidence that they can not be denied. The JAL incident over Alaska is a prime example of a superbly documented case. Two seasoned pilots and two independent radar confirmations.
2010-08-30T06:00:40Z
Name these scientists who have proved UFtOs don't exist.
2010-08-31T21:39:16Z
Just as I suspected, not one of you has EVER studied the phenomonon. In case you haven't noticed, govt's around the world freely admit the existence of UFOs and ETs. You are not skeptics, you are nonbelievers, so just admit it. If you types ahd your way, everyone would still believe the world was flat.,
♰♥ßink§♥♰2010-09-03T01:30:05Z
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Well i definitely believe in ufos as i have seen one many years ago and im not just talking about spotting a strange light in the sky. I saw a ufo close up, it was hovering above this house and some trees. It was round metallic, made no sound at all but was rotating very slowly. It had orange lights all around the middle of the disk shaped craft. After a few minutes of it hovering it started moving forward very slowly while still slowly rotating. It was so close it is impossible to mistake it for anything else, and it was 4:30am. I lot of people make fun of the story and don't believe me which is very frustrating cause i know what i saw was real. My father is in the military and so is my uncle, both Intelligent people and both have seen ufos as well as a lot of other people they know in the military.
De-bunkers prefer to consider every other possible explanation than admit that ET might be watching us regardless of how little their explanation matches what is known. They happily point to instances of hoaxes or obvious cases of mistaken identification and declare with little uncertainty that since those instances were not little green men then aliens don't exist. Sometimes the phrase "extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence" pops up as a way to avoid debate knowing that aliens aren't handing out receipts with each abduction. Yet, reports from credible, highly credentialed professionals get heaped into the same category as intoxicated mental patients. Rarely do I see it said that something unexplainable has a good probability of being unknown intelligences piloting an unknown aircraft with unknown motives because too many unknowns make skeptics nervous.
These cynics will avoid reading anything pro-UFO with the false expectation that the media will alert them when it's OK to believe that we are not alone. Conclusive proof to them will only be achieved by introducing them to an alien, letting them go for a ride, and then taking them to a medical facility to verify that they aren't hallucinating.
It requires far less thought to assume that Hynek was crazy and that all the video, physical and eye-witness evidence is faked.
Most people, even skeptics don't deny that people sometimes see things in the sky that they can't identify. Sometimes other people step in and can't figure out what these people saw either. Its not the existence of UFO's that is in debate, its the existence of aliens. The existence of lights in the sky that an observer on the ground can't identify, in no way indicates the presence of aliens spacecraft. So you see, its not the UFOs, but the assertion that UFO's represent some alien civilization that is in debate. Since no evidence what-so-ever has been produced, and since it is an extraordinary claim which requires extraordinary evidence to back it up to satisfy the standards of science, there is no need for a skeptic to investigate further. Should these mysterious lights actually be aliens, thier technology is so far ahead of ours, that we could never know it through any investigating or technology of our own. A civilization of that magnitude could only be detected by us if they allow us to find them. If that happens, the debate is over, the crazy alien hunters prove they aren't crazy after all. However, I am not holding my breath.
"Name these scientists who have proved UFtOs don't exist."
Oops, you just blew it right there. Name the scientist that can prove that I don't have an invisible unicorn in my back yard. Burden of proof is on the claimant, not the other way around.
Can you please tell me where in these two books that this J Allen Hynek came up with the science behind the method in which these supposed "UFOs" managed to defy physics and traverse the galaxy by at least some 50 light-years?
As suggested, the term UFO does not automatically qualify as an "alien spaceship". A UFO is simply that it is unidentifiable to viewer. In most cases of the "sightings" there is someone looking at the exact same object but from the opposite direction that knows exactly what it is. A vast number of sightings are actually the planet Venus. people drive along in their car, see the very bright Venus that seems to follow them as they drive, and 'viola', instant alien.
EDIT: You are wrong dead wrong. I have studied this and in great detail. But when you jabber about books that are mostly opinions and fiction, then it is a waste of time. "... govt's around the world freely admit the existence of UFOs and ETs." - err they do?? Wow. The government departments you converse with must be different to ones I do. Nobody with clearance as high as you suggest are going to come on line on open forum and tell everyone. It negates purpose of having such secret clearance in the first place. This is not about some scene out of a sci fi, it is a real life scenario.
The govt. is not going to hire incompetents. Are you kidding? The government is where incompetents go for careers. As a military veteran and ex federal employee. I can assure you the govt. is littered with incompetents. In fact, I'm convinced the folks we elect like it that way.
How many skeptics have read the books? Who knows, how many non skeptics have read this one? http://www.csicop.org/si/show/our_deliberate_slide_into_ignorance/
Years ago I read all of the supposedly true UFO books. I stopped when "Chariots Of The Gods" was demonstrated to be a big old phoney baloney tale. For me it's the fool me once thing. If we ever figure out what UFO's are, we won't find out from authors like the late Mr Hynek.