I know I know, irons are as accurate as the shooter, but often my irons are bigger than the target. What distance could you expect to get 6" groups with plain irons? I'm thinking specifically about the AR and M1A type rifles.
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My dad was a United States Marine. He shot the M16 & M14 out to 1000 yards back in Veitnam. He also scored Expert. So you tell me by that, Marines can shoot an M14 basicly a m1a, 1000 yards open sights.
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I have Grand Pa's Star Gauged 1903. They brought two of them to his outfit to burn a few of their opposing force who were taunting their position. Thought they were out of range. I have never moved his long range sight since. It is set at 1200 yards to this day. He said after the first day they quit sticking their heads up. Interesting enough they also made a .22 LR 1903 Springfield. Used for training, but were also used in a few cases as a short sniper rifle. Quiet and deadly. I was told that the little .22 sound became terrifying to some. They hear that pewww sound and saw the deadly effect and it put the fear in them cause it was hard to tell where that came from. EDIT : I am one of those guys that shot 1000 yards at Camp Perry National Matches,. Did it for 17 years. The .30-06 drops about 11 feet @ 1000. Some of those salty old Marines were absolutely astounding. One tough old boot used to help me get on target if it was a tough day. He was one sharp character. You can many times actually watch the bullet fly. Cool..... When I began no one wore hearing protection or shooting glasses, no one. EDIT 2 : The 1000 yard target was a 6' X 6' square paper target with a 10" bullseye and a 5" X ring that are used at the National Matches. Everyone has to take a turn in the trench changing and marking targets.
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The bottom line is not so much about how well the naked eye can see, although that certainly plays a role, but rather how big the target is. There is an obvious difference between shooting a whitetail deer with an open-sighted rifle at 100 yards ( a feat that most seasoned shooters can accomplish) and shooting a target the size of a 35 mm film cannister at the same distance.every single time the trigger is pulled.
One of the most remarkable feats occurred out West in the 19th century, when some buffalo hunters were holed up by Indians. One of the hunters killed an Indian with a breechloading Sharps rifle at a distance of slightly more than a mile. The weapon did not have a scope
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depends on the rifle and the kind of sights. I've found older rifle sights, pre WW2, are much more precise than modern sights. for example, the really old stuff they got on 45-70 rifles pre-1900, you could actually hit a guy from 1000 yards. those were really precise instruments. these days especially with the cheap AK sights, they're really not for anything over 50 yards. even the Mosin Nagants sights from my '42 mosin, not actually usable beyond 100 yards because its simply not that precise. the front post is too big, the notch gives too much variable left & right, while it may work ok, but for target shooting realistically Id' keep it under 100 yards.
AR type rifles are much better than AK rifles with the iron sights, you can do 100 or 200 yards with an AR ironsights only. The M1A goes back to real rifle man's sights, precise and little room for error. the GI style from WW2 can do 200-300 yards easily.
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What distance can you realistically shoot with iron sights?
I know I know, irons are as accurate as the shooter, but often my irons are bigger than the target. What distance could you expect to get 6" groups with plain irons? I'm thinking specifically about the AR and M1A type rifles.