Christians: Have you heard of Jewish Rabbi Yitzhak Kaduri saying Jesus was messiah and coming back soon?

Apparantly this old rabbi was an extremely loved and respected figure in Israel. When he died, 300,000 people took part in his funeral procession. That's huge, but downright gigantic for a tiny nation such as Israel.

Here's the interesting part: Before he died, he had said that he had met and seen the messiah in a dream. He left instructions in a note that would show the messiah's name. He ordered the note to be opened a year after his death. What did the note say?: "He will raise the people and confirm that his word and law are standing" (translated from Hebrew, obviously). The acronym of this is......Yehoshua, meaning Jesus.

Apparently this guy was some kind of mystic who gave out charmed amulets, and who some said could foresee events. To my mind, that sets off the B.S.-ometer like crazy --a flaky old kook surrounded by flaky followers. That's my normal, knee-jerk, gut reaction to things like these. But anyway, the rabbi said that Jesus was going to RETURN shortly after Ariel Sharon's death. For those of you who don't know, Sharon had a stroke in 2006, and has been in a coma-like state ever since.

Like I said, I am 99% highly skeptical of all things mystical. An old guy giving out charmed amulets and who could supposedly foresee natural disasters is normally something I would scoff at. But not only did this guy say Jesus was the messiah (interesting thing in and of itself), but he said he was returning soon.

I believed that even before I read about this. I see a Soviet Union style collapse for the global economy around the corner. The whole world is printing money to pay bills it cannot possibly repay. For anyone who knows anything about economics, that is terrifying. The political and economic consequences of this collapse are almost certain to be wars...and famines. Matthew 24, anyone? And with the whole world selling out to Islam out of fear of unending global war on a civilizational scale, something really, really bad is on the horizon.

So, I'm willing to go on a little faith (or fear) with regards to this old mystic. When Sharon finally breaths his last, I'm going to be sweating a few bullets, and watching the TV like a HAWK.

Anyway, have any of you heard about this?

2012-08-14T09:31:02Z

@Mark: Joshua, Yeshua,Yehoshua, are all versions of the same name.
Aren't Tony, Anthony, Antonio, Antuan all versions of the same name?

2012-08-14T10:37:33Z

@affinity. Yea, I read that his son said it wasn't his writing, but I also read that his colleagues said it was, but were confused as to how he got to that conclusion. Kaduri apparently also had drawn a lot of crosses in the margins of the books he read duing his last few years. This is apparently forbidden for a jew. If this story is hearsay or allegation, it was an allegation amongst JEWISH people, not christians. It was a Jewish news source's online website that first broke the story.

Either way, I'll be watching TV like a hawk when Sharon breathes his last.

2012-08-14T10:50:16Z

@allonyoa. Like I told Affinity, this story first broke amongst JEWISH folk, not christians who would "love" to see jews "buy into christianity", as you put it.

2012-08-16T13:18:34Z

@Fievel. I doubt these were messianics, since that is the very FIRST thing that would have been mentioned. As for going to hell, maybe he genuinely believed what he believed. Islam teaches that its apostates go to hell (and are to be killed), and yet people leave Islam all the time. Lastly, yes, there has always been a tiny group that has (literally) always said the world was ending. But, there ARE occasions when Christian believers can be excused for thinking so, and when this percentage grows because of it. The Fall of Rome, Black Death, and most of the 20th century should come to mind. But it is only in the 20,21st century that all the fundamentals for the end are in place. An economically and technologically interdependant world is one. All the tribes, nations, civilzations on earth being aware of each others existence is another. There are more.

That is why I am a bit worried, and will watch the TV like a hawk when Sharon passes.

2012-08-16T13:18:35Z

@Fievel. I doubt these were messianics, since that is the very FIRST thing that would have been mentioned. As for going to hell, maybe he genuinely believed what he believed. Islam teaches that its apostates go to hell (and are to be killed), and yet people leave Islam all the time. Lastly, yes, there has always been a tiny group that has (literally) always said the world was ending. But, there ARE occasions when Christian believers can be excused for thinking so, and when this percentage grows because of it. The Fall of Rome, Black Death, and most of the 20th century should come to mind. But it is only in the 20,21st century that all the fundamentals for the end are in place. An economically and technologically interdependant world is one. All the tribes, nations, civilzations on earth being aware of each others existence is another. There are more.

That is why I am a bit worried, and will watch the TV like a hawk when Sharon passes.

2012-08-16T19:31:23Z

@Feival. Perhaps this note was Kaduri's way of telling the world he DID believe in Jesus.
As for the end of the world, I understand it sounds nuts, but the last 100 years or so have been compeletely out of whack with the rest of history. WWI, then WWII, then the Cold War... It seems to go from bad to worse. Either way, if it IS the end, you owe me a cheeseburger.

allonyoav2012-08-14T10:26:50Z

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You do know the so called note has been proven a fake. LOL
He was paralysed from a stroke (it happens when you are a mere 106 years old) and physically incapable of writing anything at all.

Heh, but the story has become beloved of missionaries since they really would love to find any hint that Jews are buying into Christianity despite all evidence to the contrary

BMCR2012-08-14T13:01:03Z

Maybe you should make sure that he was, in fact, referring to Jesus, before claiming he was.

While not the most reliable of sources, WND has an article on this. It seems some of your details on this are not accurate.

http://www.wnd.com/2007/05/41669/

It seems to me that if R' Kaduri had wanted to affirm the fact that in the last year of his life he became a Meshumad (heretic) then he would be more explicit in saying so.

For the record, being a rabbi, R' Kaduri very well knew the Halacha (Jewish law) that a Jew who believes in Jesus is a heretic. Thus, either you would have us believe that he had a change of heart at age 110 but was not explicit enough to say so unambiguously or that your interpretation of it referring to Jesus is simply not true.
To me, the later seems more plausible. It is also born out by the fact that his own son and his followers say it is not true.

Update:
" Perhaps this note was Kaduri's way of telling the world he DID believe in Jesus."

Well, lets look at the evidence then.

On one hand you have...
- A note that may or may not have been written by him
- A note that does NOT say explicitly or implicitly that he believes Jesus is the Messiah but that was "interpreted" by some people to reference Jesus.

On the other hand, we have...
- He never told anyone he believed Jesus is the Messiah
- His family, his followers, and his students have all (without exception) said that he did not say or imply that Jesus is the Messiah
- He did explicitly say that the Messiah would be "flesh and blood" and made other statements about the Messiah that are consistent with JEWISH belief. (i.e. not the Christological belief).
- It also doesn't pass the basic "smell test", as they say.

So, it is clear to me that R' Kaduri never meant to say that Jesus was the Messiah (assuming he even wrote the note) and that anything to the contrary is mere speculation for which there is NO REAL EVIDENCE.

Anonymous2016-10-18T16:51:44Z

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Feivel2012-08-16T05:23:59Z

This story first broke against xtians who call themselves "messianic Jews" and they twist everything around.

Think about it....if your theory is right and he believed jesus was the messiah, then he condemned himself to hell by denying jesus was the messiah while he was alive. People seem to want to put so much stock in a word on a paper that he probably didn't write but don't logically think it out. The Rabbi "saw jesus was the messiah" but did not convert to xtianity and denied (as all Jews do) that jesus is the messiah. We Jews are concerned about our souls but if this was to be believed, then he knowingly doomed himself to hell because in xtian theology to deny jesus is to doom yourself.

This type of stuff is why "messianic jews" are so dangerous. They do not speak for Jews. They are not Jewish. As for reporters talking about it, most are secular Jews and a few are xtian and some were "messianic" and lets face it, its a controversial story sells papers.

I am Jewish and studied this and its "much ado about nonsense".

You quoting Matthew shows you are xtian and so you want this story to be true. You might go back and study history. Every generation has though their world was going to end soon using xtian texts. The black plague, the fall of the Roman empire, WW2 etc etc.

Actually "messianic jews" have a real bad habit of telling people they are Jewish and leaving off the "messianic" part because it plays better to real Jews. Yes people leave islam because they decide it is not correct, the same reason you leave any faith. You are saying the opposite. You are implying Kaduri believed in jesus and yet he would have denied jesus, therefore putting his soul in jeopardy, therefore, common sense would say this is false.

You go ahead and keep watching the news and join all those for the last 1000 years thinking the world was going to end. Good luck with that.

Anonymous2016-02-22T03:02:49Z

This is a good question. I have debated this with several people an I can tell you that what they say is simply "You do not know the Old Testament like you think you do". They are right. I do not know the "Old Testament" like the Christians. That is their book. The Torah is ours and how we interpret it has been handed down through the ages. Jesus fulfilled none of the prophesies so he cannot be the Messiah and no, there is nothing in the Torah about the Messiah coming a second time.

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