Why would god put a tree of knowledge that bears the forbidden fruit in Eden?
A legit question this brings forth the question, did he intentionally sabotage mankind?
2012-10-23T12:24:14Z
to mom if he loved his creation so much why put the tree there its like u know a dog is very hungry yet u dangle a piece of meat in his face y?
OSTCarmine2012-10-23T12:18:25Z
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i asked a similar question and got similar results to you bro... from what i gathered this is the situation - Adam and Eve, having NO previous exposure to ANY kind of choice at all, get thrust into this awkward situation where they have to exercise their free will for the very 1st time. They are give 2 arguments, one from satan and one from god. god says - dont do it, you will die. satan says - do it, you wont die. now take note that death is not even RELEVANT in the garden of eden. adam and eve have no concept of human death at all, how could they? they are the 1st 2 alive. so now their choice is "something we cannot possibly even grasp is gonna happen if we eat this" and "nothing is gonna happen, just eat it". if i was a rational being, faced with a choice such as this i would simply eat the fruit. the argument against it is complete gibberish to me and the argument for it at least gives me some fruit... simple really.
Well let me ask you a question then - if there was absolutely no possibility in the world for man to sin, what would you say the purpose of creation was? Why wouldn't G-d just keep everyone as souls in heaven rather than constrict them into physical bodies? Because according to what I believe the purpose of creation was to choose good over evil, which Adam and Eve were perfectly capable of even though they didn't. But choosing good over evil is pretty hard to do if there's no evil, don't you think? So I'll ask you again, if you don't agree with that purpose, what do you think the purpose would be for a completely non-sinnable world?
when God created humans in his own image, humans are a lower form of angels. We lack everything, we are made of dust. While angels have spiritual being/DNA and bodies.
since we lack everything- we sweat, go hungry, get disease, clueless, not much IQ, 100% naive, no knowledge.
now the Forbidden Fruit is meant to be used to 'experiment'. Let's say Adam and Eve did not actually eat from the fruit. They would have worked and walk with God/Jesus and obeyed him in every way. God would have seen his magnificence creation evolve. From Adam and Eve spawned different children/off springs.
Now Since God instruct the humans to do "this and that" as they obeyed frankly. God can say "Adam look at your 3rd son Josiv, give him that Forbidden Fruit to eat and see what happens".
Adam obeys and gives Josiv the forbidden fruit. When Josiv eats the fruit, he dies "spiritually" however his Soul expands in knowledge. He sees things Adam and the rest could not see. He now knows something about Free Will, how to Rule, Control, Defile, Obey, Disobedient.
Now Josiv starts to live with them for years, while doing so, his minds grows spontaneously. God tells Adam taht Josiv is wiser than them all But he can't stand his sight because he sinned and he's basically dead. Josiv is basically a zombie but doesn't know.
God then tells Adam to feed Josiv a fruit from the Tree of Life. Adam obeyed again, and Josiv ate from the Tree of Life. Then Josiv sprang back to life spiritually from being dead.
Now I don't know what tree of life fruit does. But this can prove that Josiv is now back in the original Human form, cleansed from sin and no longer dead. In fact he could even be -immortal-.
The positive thing is that Josiv is now a higher being to Adam and rest and possess vast knowledge. More importantly, he now knows what is right wrong, rule, control, defile, kill, love, sad, obey, disobey, free will, life etc (everything Adam and others do not even know yet or slow to learning).
This is where Josiv can then govern Adam and the rest because he knows about obeying and disobeying, free will and control.
Some say:he was testing mankind (while also believing that He knew in advance what would happen), so what kind of a test is that? Plus He also knew in advance that his little trick will make sure that most of man kind will go to hell (since Christians believe that only few will be saved)
so the answer is: some ideas in Christianity are really screwed up and don't make sense, but it's hard to see it unless you can see the whole picture (as I've just explained) and so most people can believe something that doesn't make sense because they don't see the whole picture at a glance
If we go by Genesis as we must you are provably wrong on 3 points and right on NONE.
ALL was good, very good in God's eyes so that must have included the tree. ALL that God did was good for Adam and Eve and the only implication that it was not so came from someone who had done nothing for them. The reasoning of Adam and Eve and the Serpent shows that they did not agree with you. Adam did not say anything against what he knew was ALL to the good -- and his good especially.