A question about Justice to theists (legitimate question)?
So theists (specifically from the Abrahamic faiths: Judiasm, Christianity, Islam) why do you seek forms of justice here on earth.
Why worry about bringing justice to a perceived bad person in this world when you know your god will deliver the perfect form of justice? Your god knows everything and is perfect so his deliverance of justice will be perfect. Meanwhile, our justice system is built upon laws and the judgements and perceptions of humans. We are very limited and imperfect. We get things wrong. We make punishments too light or too heavy.
So why even bother with delivering justice to a murder or thief in this world when eventually he/she will be judged and sentenced by your god?
2013-01-30T10:07:18Z
Edit: "Really? You have to ask the question? Crimes with no consequences?" That is my point. Crimes, according to your ideology, DO have consequences because your god will eventually punish all criminals. So even if a person steals his whole life and is never caught by a cop, he will still be punished by God because god will know.
My point is, what is the purpose of our justice system if God is the ultimate and perfect justice system?
2013-01-30T10:14:02Z
Edit: No Judd, I was not trying to refute anything. I was legitimately curious about the philosophical implications of justice among theists. Your answer is great and very well explained.
Judd2013-01-30T10:07:20Z
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The main reason: because God told us to set up courts. We are supposed to take the necessary steps to protect the innocent knowing that we can only do our best and mistakes will happen.
If someone harms you, you take him to court and the court will decide based on the laws that God set out in the Torah. If a mistake is made, God will remedy it but we still need to try our best.
(The same is true about many things like health, for example. God decides when we live and die so why not just party all day and night and throw caution into the wind? Because God said that although He will decide, we should take all the steps to keep ourselves alive within the parameters that He set.)
I know that you weren't looking for an answer as I suspect that you were presenting this "question" as a refute.
EDIT: I apologize. I jumped to a conclusion and I was wrong. Wrong on the conclusion and wrong to jump. My apologies.
because if you won't punish criminals, crimes will skyrocket. The high rate of crime in the US is because the criminals don't get adequate punishment. An example: I am 20, i rape, get sentenced for 7 years. I come back and i am 27 and i rape again, I go for 7 more years. So in my lifetime, i will have the opportunity to rape at least 5 women. Contrast that in Saudi, I rape and I am executed in public which will protect at least 4 more women from this heinous crime but also scare the future rapists that their crime will not be tolerated.
The Distraction Potential of Certainty2013-01-30T20:06:32Z
This clearly illustrates that sectarian control freaks heavily abuse their false authority sectarian construct for their main argument for sectarian-correct control of total non-affiliated strangers.
Non-religiously-correct logic has zero chance of penetrating the religious dissonance crutch of sectarian control freaks thought process.
The only practical excuse for punishing, harassing or pillorying individuals for open refusal to obey proxy sectarian authority object, "directives/restrictions" sans evidence is the fact that without total sectarian constructs saturating the very secular fabric of American society, most people would ignore the constant hyperbolic drivel being spewed by sectarian control freaks.
The only actual punishment sectarian control freaks can realistically impose upon individuals depends entirely upon the willingness of society to allow sectarian control freaks to openly circumvent secular society's civil laws/regulations that already restrict human behavior therefore making sectarian "double jeopardy" restrictions entirely redundant and unnecessary, just like the corrosive perpetual existence of most present-day religions/cults.
Good point. Christians live like they don't truly believe in heaven and hell, they make friends with non-christians who, according to their beliefs, are sinners going to hell, and often don't even attempt to convert them so they can be 'saved'. I find it hard to believe that christians are okay with everyone around them burning in hell for eternity. They get upset when people they know die, even thought they'll see them soon in heaven. They worry immensely about little things like exams and deadlines, which are really only going to affect their life on earth, which is insignificant compared to the eternity they will spend in heaven. It all just shows that, deep down, christians don't truly believe what they say they do.