Where was the red card for Ramos today?

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^^^Oh Doc, is that right?
If only Barcelona were like Real Madrid who win ALL their games fairly:
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yRCuj1crHlI
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rQdW2psi7d4
How come you didn't say anything about those games? You even defended the cheating and diving. Keep making excuses you glory hunter. The better team won today, simple.

EDIT - So Doc, what you're saying is that if the ref had made the 'correct calls,' Barcelona wouldn't have won? So does that mean that without the penalty, Real Madrid would've lost to Elche, a newly promoted team? Or, if Vidal's appeal for penalty had been given, and Chiellini wasn't sent off, Juventus would've gotten the deserved win? Or is what I just said now invalid?
You're one of the most biased Real Madrid 'fans' on here. Take a break from Y!A and stop reading Bleacher report articles, then learn the rules behind the Yellow and Red card, you idiotic clown.

EDIT2 - I can have a civilised conversation. You called me an idiotic jester first, after I exposed the flaws in your argument, then you just wrote an entire paragraph just to reinstate your previous 'point.' Looks like your the bitter hypercritical one here. I'm not losing the debate, your purposely avoiding my points. You can't even properly counter them because you know they are true: http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=C1AHec7sfZ8 :) I don't know why you're going on about alternate realities. Does that apply to the Barcelona v Real Madrid, or just all Real Madrid matches in general? "My initial point is that the correct calls could of changed the game and that is not arguable," - just like they would've changed these games right? Without the prolonged extra time and the penalty, Elche would have drawn with Real Madrid. Juventus would've won against Real Madrid, had Chiellini not been sent off, and Vidal's appeal for penalty had been approved. Funny you say I don't know what a yellow or red card offense is. C. Ronaldo's dive was what influenced the ref to give Chiellini a red card. Here's Pique doing the same thing Chiellini did, the only difference here is that C. Ronaldo didn't dive: http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3xalZFBzmiI

EDIT3 - Now you're just spewing out complete ********. You think alternate realities is a valid argument to use for these situations? Lol, you already know deep inside Juventus would've won, and Elche would've drawn, had the stated events occurred. That's like saying Mascherano probably could've tripped while chasing after C. Ronaldo, and Valdés could've lost the feeling in his arms, so C. Ronaldo would've scored, since Valdés wouldn't probably make the save. So all in all, Real Madrid would've won, thanks to the theory of alternate realities. Lol, does that scenario sound realistic to you? It's an example of the theory you're using as an argument, so it should be. C. Ronaldo should've gotten a penalty and possibly another one, if the ref had seen the handball. But there's also the possibility that he could've missed them, if they had both been awarded to him. It happens, so you never know. Lol, try to be realistic if you're going to make points like that. You didn't counter any of my arguments, you just spewed out irrelevant crap, while acknowledging I was right in the first place. Since your reading comprehension skills are below par, the point I'm trying to get across to your head is that Barcelona won. They had the most chances on goal and were in control for most of the game, partly due to the poor tactics, and the experimented starting XI lineup, by Ancelotti. You mention the C. Ronaldo penalty, but what about the dangerous foul on Fábregas in the box? If a penalty had been awarded for that foul, the overall score could've been 4-3, possibly more Barcelona's way with the chances they had, and assuming C. Ronaldo would've scored from both penalties, that should be been awarded to him. Either way, Barcelona would've won. Your pitiful excuses hidden behind your 'theories' don't change that. Like Incrediesta said, Real Madrid fans are very quick to point the finger at the refs when things don't go the team's way. But if Real Madrid unfairly win games, they don't make a big deal about it. Just like the Barca fans I guess. Just because I didn't reply straight away to you, it doesn't mean you've 'won' the 'victory'. Only an ignorant fool would think like that. Obviously I don't spend my whole day on this site, I have a work life, a family, and a social life as well. Oh, but look who I'm telling. Please don't bother replying to me since you have nothing relevant to argue. My answer is already reaching its limit, so don't except a reply from me after this one....Show more

Are you serious? Stop being so biased. Everyone knows he gave the game away. He did not call a clear penalty and if the game was 1-1 things would of been completely different.

@Vhalin -- I did say something about those games. For the Pepe pen, i said that was disgraceful and for the Chiellini incident, i also said that was not a Red, a yellow at best. I did not defend the cheating and diving. Yet another idiotic jester whom has no accurate point, everything you said was invalid. Its also funny how you use the term glory hunter, you need to google it because you clearly dont know its definition. I would say Barca played better on a general term but the ref was a huge factor in the victory. Things would of been different if the correct calls where given. That is the end of story.

Are you serious? First of all, you are one of those hypocrites that cannot have a civilized conversation without insulting someone, which is a defensive mechanism used when losing a debate. Your talking about alternate realities where things could of gone a infinite different ways. So yes, obviously those possibilities you suggested could of occurred and the opposite could of happened. My initial point is that the correct calls could of changed the game and that is not arguable. You seam to be the one who doesn't know what a actual red or yellow card offense is. Its also amusing how you plead for Incrediesta to give you best answer, you apparently need the approval of others.

I did not insult you , i said that was a idiotic jester (i intended to judging the comment not you) but in your defense i see how you got that confused, how i used the world "whom" in a incorrect manner. I should of used "which". I apologize for for that misunderstanding.

Second i was talking about alternate realities in Madrid matches in general, the ones you are specifying. I did not avoid your points, the alternate realities concept is directed for them. Its the idea of the game could of gone a number of different ways. Yes the possibilities of Madrid loosing to Elche if not for the penalty where almost guaranteed, and its not fact because a random goal could of also accrued (as it did with the Ronaldo 3-2 bizarre win), now i know that is near impossible but its not fact that it could of not happened and you cannot count that out (as astronomical as it is possible). That is what i meant by infinite alternate realities. Anything could of happened if that one scenario did not occur. Same for the Chiellini red, you are right, the score could of been tied, it could of ended 10-2 for Juve and it could of gone 10-2 for Madrid, there are a infinite ways it could of gone but i do think Juve would of tied if they had 11 men. My point is that things would if changed if the correct calls where given, for the better or worse. Ronaldo did greatly exaggerate the contact, it was shameful, but that was a foul, yellow offense at best, Chiellini illegally lifted his arm towards Ronaldo's face which prevented him from getting to the ball and in for goal.

My point is once again, of the correct calls where given in the Barcelona match, specifically the Ronaldo Pen, things would of been different. Im still not entirely sure what you are arguing because that is fact but please direct your argument specifically it to my point.

That song gave me a good laugh by the way.

Last Edit@@That entire paragraph of manure you just wrote did not argue against my point. The alternate realities concept just means anything could of happened and that is fact (you also restated my idea of anything could of happened for the BETTER or WORSE with your examples). If the penalty was called the result could would of been different (fact). I stated facts while you wrote manure. Barcelona won, the penalty could of changed things, End of discussion. You cant argue facts. This was pretty much a waste of time. I will not reply anymore as well....Show more

It was in Ref's pocket....trust me I saw it in his pocket....Show more