So if solar winds have this level of direct effect on weather patterns to directly impact the frequency and presumably the intensity of lighting, then how can you say that changes in solar output, not TSI, do not impact climatic shifts on earth?
2014-05-15T11:43:23Z
EDIT: Darwinist - The 11 year Haline cycle if it was entirely uniform and cinsistant would mean that over time this has little net impact. However there are other cycles involved. We are just coming out a a grand solar Maxima (longer cycle meaning strong 11 year cycles stronger solar winds etc) We are believed to be entering into a Grand Solar Minema.
There is a great deal we still do not know. i.e. length of solar cycle actually seems to matter more than sunspot counts.
2014-05-15T11:49:43Z
Update 2: Dook, actually I found the article here. http://www.spaceweather.com/ Yes I can read and understand this report. Why do you have to try so hard to be offensive?
Anonymous2014-05-15T12:36:13Z
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Additionally to your well-received information:
" ... The IPCC attributes 20th century global warming primarily to CO2 on the basis of climate modeling, claiming that the increase in solar activity during the 20th century was insufficient to cause the observed warming. Thus, it is claimed, CO2 is by default the only other possible cause of the warming [they don't know how to model ocean oscillations, so those are automatically & conveniently excluded as a cause].
However, climate models are programmed with solar forcing that is 5-13 times less than found by state-of-the-art solar activity reconstructions. ... "
" ... For example, the NASA-GISS climate model uses a solar forcing assumption which shows solar activity increased during the 20th century by only about 0.3 Watts per meter squared [W/m2]. Contemporary solar activity reconstructions, however, show that solar activity increased during the 20th century by 1.5 - 4 W/m2 or 5 - 13 times more than assumed by the NASA-GISS model. Reconstructed Total Solar Irradiance [TSI] shows an increase of ~ 4 W/m2 over the 20th century. Solar forcing based on these modern reconstructions is 1 - 2.6 times higher than the alleged forcing from increased greenhouse gases during the 20th century. In addition, climate models do not consider any of the multiple solar amplification mechanisms which have been described in the literature. Thus, the IPCC and others dismiss the role of the Sun in climate by conveniently assuming solar activity changed 5 - 13 times less than the research indicates.
In addition, since solar forcing was much higher than assumed by the models, this implies that CO2 forcing was significantly less than assumed by the models. ... "
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Ignorance is not a theory but it seems to be the main theory that alarmists present as their holy grail. That impact of the sun alone cannot account for the observed warming over the past century yada yada yada. It can't account for the warming and neither can CO2 IMO.
It is interesting about the correlation with lightning though. I watched something just recently, Modern Marvels actually, that stated lightning was caused by ice and water droplets interacting but then again I believed the thing about red wine, and saturated fats, but I digress.
Scientists have already looked at the impact of solar activity on climate. Since you're willing to accept their lightning research, perhaps you'd be willing to take a look at and accept the work that Professors Lockwood & Harrison have done on the link between solar activity and climate. http://rspa.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/463/2086/2447 http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1029/2009RG000282/abstract
The other authors, Chris Scott, Matt Owens and Luke Barnard don't really do climate attribution stuff, they're almost entirely space weather research (at least they were a year or so ago). But there are lots of other scientists who have looked at this, and you can see their work cited in previous IPCC reports.
If there were a study showing a change in the number of cumulonimbus clouds with the solar wind, that would be more significant. Lightning is an electrical breakdown and the exact thing that initiates the breakdown is not well understood. It's not too surprising that changes in the solar particle flux can change the lightning rate, since high energy particles can initiate the ionization that results in a lightning stroke. Cosmic rays can too. If you flew around a radioactive source I'm sure you could also do it that way. There are people that believe that lightning is ALWAYS initiated by something seemingly external, like a cosmic ray shower.
The question is, OTHER than a change in the lightning rate, does the solar wind affect more significant climatological variables, and I don't think you can draw that conclusion from this study.
I'm sure that solar variation does have some effect, but wouldn't it be cyclical; in harmony with the 11yr solar cycle? I'm sure that, in time, we will be able to say that some weather phenomena are related to the sun but that increasing global average temperatures will not be one of them.
Now I'll take a look at your link and see if there is anything else to add.
Edit; Yeah, interesting link, but more to do with weather than global warming.
Edit 2; Didn't the "Grand Solar Maxima" peak about 60 years ago? The Little Ice Age didn't lag the Maunder Minimum; if the sun was the only or main driver, wouldn't temps have peaked 60 years ago?
As for solar cycle length being significant, honestly, there is zero correlation with global average temperatures.