Do you believe direct revelation from the Holy Spirit happens in modern times (now)? If so, why do we have the Bible?
2017-09-25T21:29:22Z
Since we have the Bible, why do we need direct revelations?
2017-09-26T03:49:08Z
There are many people & churches that say they are directly guided by the Spirit, yet they teach things that contradict others. Two things can't contradict and both be true at the same time. Since the Spirit can't lead someone into error, many who claim Spirit leadership are incorrect. There must be a way to verify the truth. Most people who claim Spirit leadership are mistaken.
2017-09-26T04:06:00Z
For those who claim leadership from the Holy Spirit, ho do you know it is the Holy Spirit leading you. "Even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light." (2 Corinthians 11:14) How do you know it is not Satan instead?
Rod2017-09-26T21:10:39Z
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Not all christians believe that God is giving his people new revelations through the Holy Spirit which are not written in the word of God.
The pentecostal/ charismatic churches seem to be big on this idea that God continues to reveal new words, new revelations, new instructions etc, almost daily to them.
In other words God is giving countless thousands of new words all the time for his people to hear.
No one is denying the first century christians were given the spiritual gifts of tongues, healings and prophecies etc, but NOT all christians had those gifts (1Cor 12:27-31)
These spiritual gifts were not to last forever in the church.
(1Cor 13:8) ...but whether there be PROPHECIES, they shall fail; whether there be TONGUES, they shall cease; whether there be KNOWLEDGE, it shall vanish away.
v:9 For we know in PART, and we prophesy in PART.
v:10 But when that which is PERFECT is come, then that which is in PART shall be done away.
Many christians who believe the spiritual gifts are still for the church today misread or ignore these scriptures.
Paul who wrote this was in no way saying that this "Perfect" was Jesus Christ and that these spiritual gifts would stop at Christ's return at either the rapture or his second coming as some christians suggest.
What is this PERFECT Paul was speaking of which would replace the PART (spiritual gifts) ?
(2Tim 3:16) ALL SCRIPTURE is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for DOCTRINE.....
v:17 That the man of God may be PERFECT.
God's PERFECT and COMPLETE word is available for all christians to read and study in the word of God ! (2Tim 2:15 & Heb 4:12)
Paul's later ministry to the body of Christ was "to FULFIL the word of God" (Col 1:25) to us christians.
The spiritual gifts ceased 2000 years ago and sadly what we are seeing today is a COUNTERFEIT of them through many sincere but nevertheless ignorant christians.
Some christians are playing with wildfire by allowing themselves to be open to new revelations given to them by an UN-holy spirit (1John 4:1-2)
They are "tossed to and fro...with EVERY WIND of doctrine" which is whispered in their ears ! (Eph 4:14)
The word of God is a christians ONLY defense needed against these spiritual attacks on God's people (Eph 6:11-17)
Do you believe direct revelation from the Holy Spirit happens in modern times (now)? If so, why do we have the Bible?
Hi ~
Lets cut to the chase . . .
John the baptist (and He was great) said I truly baptize in water unto repentance you guys, but ya know what . Don't follow me around anymore: That guy over there is the Messiah (He is Greater) . . . He baptizes with the Holy Ghost and with power; which personifies 'repentance'. . .(John's baptism was great ~ but the Baptism of Messiah is Greater.)
Messiah said . . . you search the scriptures for in them you think you have eternal life . . . and they are the very thing that points to me . . . But you guys don't get it . . . you just won't come to me will ya? . . . (I am greater than the scriptures) . . . (Yes, then, and even so today) . . . nothing wrong with the scriptures, but 'Messiah' is still greater! . . . Why?
Because Messiah does something no one in the History of mankind has ever done; ever before and that continues to this very Day! . . . He baptizes in the Holy Spirit ! "He" (Ruach HaKodesh) is the WORD of God.
And is the WORD that in the beginning was with God, and was God; and of everything that was created . . . nothing was created unless it was thru HIM . . .
The guidance of the Bible is great . . . But the guidance of the Holy Spirit is GREATER!
Set the Bible on the Pew in back; Next to the place where John the Baptist sat . . . Get up and follow that which is Greater: . . . Messiah gave us something Greater . . .
There is a deception that could fool the very elect if possible . . . Those who are 'wise' will choose to follow that which is "Greater"
Response to Updates:~ I would like to answer that question with a question (that's something I respect that many Jews like to do also)
How do "Bible only" defenders know the Bible is leading them? If it were genuinely trustworthy then how did The Church in Jerusalem end up with so many many divisions ? (Followers of Jesus of Nazareth, (Nazarenes), Johannine Christians, Pauline Christians, Roman Catholic Christians, Reform Church, Greek Orthodox Christians, Protestants, Baptists, Mormons, Jehovaha's Witnesses, Seventh Day Adventists ~ and the list goes on hundreds probably Thousands deeper . . . How do they know "those divisions" are not 'conjured' up of Satan instead?
There is a saying "Those who talk to God are blessed; that's Praying" . . . "Those who have God talk back to them? well, there' nuts . . . they are just plain crazy!"
How did David know to take off the Armor of King Saul? . . . and to pick up the 'Rock' and sling it at Goliath . . . How did David know that wasn't communicated to him by the Devil?
The answer to that which you desire is . . . If you search for that answer like one would search for hidden treasure; you will find it. When that answer becomes more important to you than / The fear of the pressure of society's responses . . . / Than the fear of religious mob mentality pointing fingers at you / and your own whimpy feasr from within your own 'mortal reasoning' that you could look foolish and feel silly because of it . . . "Then" and "There" is the Place you 'Will' know if it's from Satan or The Holy Ghost. You 'Will" know . . .
P.S. That book you are all referring to as the 'Bible' was fabricated and assembled in 326 A.D. in Nicea under pressure of the Emperor of Rome (Constantine) . . . It wasn't even printed until the Guternbuerg Bible era, because there were no printing presses in existance. King James had it translated into the English Language and printed to be purchased publicly in the 1600's for the first time. Before then it was only in the hands of the Roman Church leaders . . . commoners didn't and couldn't touch it. What I'm trying to say is that isn't a sacred holy magical book that God Himself reached down thru the clouds and handed to anyone.
Revelation is absolutely available and essential throughout all ages. WIthout it, we cannot come to know God.
The bible is of great value but it is not the complete handbook on Christianity and clearly does not provide the knowledge and covenants that the fulness of the gospel requires. Otherwise, there would be only one church. It is simply a compilation of ancient records.
Throughout history, whenever there was insufficient faith (trust in God) to repent, keep God's commandments and follow a prophet, God did not provide one. Instead, the faithless followed men's interpretations of the words of dead prophets while rejecting the live ones that taught the truth. It takes courage and faith to accept truth.
A good example are the pharisee's who Jesus likened to whited sephulchres filled with dead mens bones. The pharisee's were prideful old testament scholars who were hung up on the idea that they were the children of Abraham but wanted to kill Jesus.
The bible gives us a book of instructions to read and God knows the heart of a person if he is willing to read it. Or does he just not care what God wants?