Atheists, at what point, objectively speaking, if any, would you consider the supernatural happening right in front of your very own eyes?
I’m just trying to get an objective number from you guys where you would concede that something beyond the natural is happening. Here’s my scenario.
Someone claims that he is a prophet from God and thus can predict the future without fail (Dt 18:21-22). To prove himself to you, he asks you to come up with any two-outcome event (such as a coin toss) under your own controlled conditions, and he will state the outcome of the event before you reveal it or even before that if that’s possible. ...
... It is assumed that you are so smart, you can come up with two outcome events under your own controlled conditions in which it would be impossible for the self-claimed prophet to know the outcome. (For example, you could flip the coin in another state in a private location and blindfold the prophet in a private secured dark room monitored by a trusted friend to make sure he wasn’t cheating somehow.)
How many correct “guesses” in a row would have to occur before you would concede that something beyond the natural is happening? I’m simply looking for a number. But here are some facts to help you see how probability works.
The chances of guessing correctly N number in a row of a two-outcome event is given by one out of 2^N (or mathematically, P = 1/[2^N].) where 2^N is the number 2 multiplied by itself N times.
For just one event and guess, the guesser has an obvious one out of two chance or 1/2 chance of guessing right (P = 1/[2^1] or P = 1/2.
For two correct guesses in a row, the chances are one out of four, P = 1/4 (and for three, P = 1/8 and so forth).
For 100 guesses in a row, the chances are one out of 1.267 x 10^30 (= 2^100). (Note that there are “only” about 7 x 10^9 people on earth at this time, that is about seven billion.)
For 270 guesses in a row, the chances are one out of 1.9 x 10^81. (Note that scientists believe there are “only” about 10^80 atoms in the entire known universe.)
I believe Jea said in an earlier post that even if the guesser guessed one million times in a row, that would only prove that he or she was just a good guesser. ...
... (Note that even MS Calculator can’t handle a number that large, 2^1,000,000.) If she provides a number, I’ll concede that I may have been mistaken about what I thought she said.
For me, 100 guesses in a row would definitely convince me that something beyond the natural was occurring, probably less than that, but it’s at least a start.
Remember, I’m just looking for a number. Thank you for your help understanding atheism..
So far with 15 answerers, no atheist has provided a number. Is the number less than one million? If so, what is it? If you can't give a number, then why couldn't it be over one million for you?
For the purposes of trying to get an objective answer, if you do not provide a number, I'll assume that the number is greater than one million for you. If it's less, let me know. Just answer the question.
It's been over an hour and with at least 16 atheist answerers, but still NOT ONE number from an athee-evo. Apparently even if the atheist went out into a remote part of the woods in CA with no one around him, set up a tent with the window shades closed, flipped a coin all day long for 12 hours inside the tent, recording the sequence of heads and tails as he or she was flipping, for a total of about 2000 coin flips, put the head-tail sequence record in a sealed envelope, traveled to NYC ...
where the prophet was who had been monitored by the atheist's trusted friend to make sure he never a room the whole time and had no access to any outside information, had the prophet first present his record of what the sequence was, then compared the two records and they were a perfect match, even then the atheist would attribute the feat to just him being a good guesser or anything other than something supernatural had just occurred.
Correct me if I am wrong atheists. I'll give it until tomorrow to see is even just one atheist will provide a number.
CONCLUSION: After one full day and 32 answers, not one atheist provided a number. This proves at least three things we Christians have long suspected.
1) Atheists (at least in this forum) are simply not smart enough to devise any experiment whatsoever that could be used to prove something beyond the natural was going on. No matter what they came up with, they would assume that some clever magician could out trick them in some way.
To his credit, James Randi, a magician, skeptic AND atheist, was at least capable of devising experiments that would allow those who claimed to have special powers to prove themselves, and even offered $1 million to those who could.
2) There IS NO way of proving anything supernatural to athee-evos. When they ask questions like, “Can you prove there is a God?”, it’s already a moot point in their minds. They have no intentions whatsoever of accepting any proof, no matter how credible. No matter what proof was provided, even by God himself, they still would never concede there is a God.
Even if their dead grandmother came back to life, they would just assume that either she was never dead to begin with, or some pharmaceutical company came up with a new drug that is able to bring people that appear to be dead back to looking alive again.
Even in the scenario above, if the atheists saw with their own eyes, under their own controlled conditions, someone guess correctly a coin flip (even before the coin was flipped) one million times in a row or more, at best they would believe the man was just be a really good guesser or some sort of really good magician. As Jesus said, “‘If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead” (Lk 16:31).
3) Most atheists are cowardly and gutless (especially the ones in this forum). They’re scared to death to simply provide a number, be it 50, 100, 1000 or even one trillion. The reason is obvious. Any number would imply that there was the tiniest remotest chance of the supernatural having occurred, and their fellow athee-evos would hound them to death to even entertain that possibility.
Atheists, I’m not going to award best answer to someone who doesn’t have the guts to put down a number. But I will use this post to explain why knowledgeable Christians don’t waste time answering questions about God’s existence since you really are not interested in an answer, and there is no answer you would ever be satisfied with.