How do Christians who don't accept the trinity reconcile God and Jesus and the Holy Spirit?
God is God, for Christians, that's a given, but an actual Christian believes that Jesus died for their sin and then were under "grace" which, by Biblical definition, is being filled with the Holy Spirit.
If all these are completely separate entities, wouldn't that make someone who does not accept the trinity guilty of idolatry because they believe that their salvation comes from something other than faith in God?
2019-07-12T08:22:37Z
Genesis 1:26 – “Then God said, ‘Let US make man in our image, after OUR likeness; and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps upon the earth.’”
Who is the US and OUR God is referring to? He refers to Himself this way often.
Hogie2019-07-13T13:03:57Z
At the root of the problem is ignorance. That, and cultic churches that set up laws and rules for their members do not want the Holy Spirit being a guide to Christians, which He is, so they relegate Him to being merely an impersonal force or power of God so that they can emphasize their rules and themselves as being a guide in a Christian's life.
Peter tells us Jesus is the Messiah, the Son of the living God.
God himself tells us Jesus is his Son, the beloved.
The holy spirit is God's spirit, thus it belongs to God and he is able to do anything he wants with it.
From moving mountains to raising the dead.
From parting the Red Sea to opening our hearts to learn about the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.
I for one agree with Paul who tells us to pray that:
“17 that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give you a spirit of wisdom and of revelation in the accurate knowledge of him.” (Ephesians 1:17)
Peter tells us:
“3 Praised be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, for according to his great mercy he gave us a new birth to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,” (1 Peter 1:3)
Actually if we worship Jesus we become idolaters, Why?
Because Jesus not being God is the image of God, and to worship an image, one becomes an idolater.
“15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation;” (Colossians 1:15)
Who is Jehovah talking to when he says: "Let us make man in our image?"
Well we know Jesus is made in God's image, thus Jehovah is talking to Jesus, his 'master worker'.
“22 Jehovah produced me as the beginning of his way, The earliest of his achievements of long ago. . . . 30 Then I was beside him as a master worker. I was the one he was especially fond of day by day; I rejoiced before him all the time;” (Proverbs 8:22, 30)
Then we mustn't forget about all the other sons of God, who were present when Jehovah created the earth and man.
“ 4 Where were you when I founded the earth? . . . 7 When the morning stars joyfully cried out together, And all the sons of God began shouting in applause?” (Job 38:4-7) .
I really don't know how any true Christian who is born again of the Spirit could miss the godhead in scripture all over the place. The very fact that we are commanded BY JESUS HIMSELF to water baptise those who believe in the ONE NAME OF Father, Son and Holy Spirit (Matthew 28: 19 & 20) should be proof enough, and then there are a myriad of scriptures which cite all three in one God - Father, Son and Holy Spirit being in the same place at the same time to witness peoples' salvation and baptisms. Acts 8: 34 - 40 is just one very clear example and Jesus Himself whilst being baptized had God the Father speaking from heaven and the Holy Spirit landing in the form of a dove upon Him all at the same time as He was being baptized by John.
Really 1 John 5:7 caps it because it states categorically that there are three that bear witness in heaven, the Father, the Word and the Holy Spirit and THESE THREE ARE ONE. How could anybody miss that one?
The only explanation is that they don't believe God's Word, or else, not being born again of the Spirit, they are blinded by the Devil, because 2 Corinthians 4:4 states that "The gospel of Christ is veiled to those who are perishing, whose minds the god of this age (Satan) has blinded, who do not believe, lest the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ who is the image of God should shine upon them"
Those are the only explanations I can think of for anyone calling themselves a Christian and then not believing the entirety of God's Word.
If a person denies the biblical truth of the Trinity (Godhead) of Father, Son and Holy Spirit, then he calls God a liar and is no Christian at all.
1Jo 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
The Word is Jesus Christ
Rev 19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
Jhn 1:14 ¶ And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.