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How do Christians who don't accept the trinity reconcile God and Jesus and the Holy Spirit?

God is God, for Christians, that's a given, but an actual Christian believes that Jesus died for their sin and then were under "grace" which, by Biblical definition, is being filled with the Holy Spirit.

If all these are completely separate entities, wouldn't that make someone who does not accept the trinity guilty of idolatry because they believe that their salvation comes from something other than faith in God?

Update:

Genesis 1:26 – “Then God said, ‘Let US make man in our image, after OUR likeness; and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps upon the earth.’”

Who is the US and OUR God is referring to? He refers to Himself this way often.

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  • Hogie
    Lv 7
    2 years ago

    At the root of the problem is ignorance. That, and cultic churches that set up laws and rules for their members do not want the Holy Spirit being a guide to Christians, which He is, so they relegate Him to being merely an impersonal force or power of God so that they can emphasize their rules and themselves as being a guide in a Christian's life.

  • TeeM
    Lv 7
    2 years ago

    Easy,

    Just as God's word teaches us.

    Jesus tells us the Father is the only true God.

    Peter tells us Jesus is the Messiah, the Son of the living God.

    God himself tells us Jesus is his Son, the beloved.

    The holy spirit is God's spirit, thus it belongs to God and he is able to do anything he wants with it.

    From moving mountains to raising the dead.

    From parting the Red Sea to opening our hearts to learn about the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.

    I for one agree with Paul who tells us to pray that:

    “17 that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give you a spirit of wisdom and of revelation in the accurate knowledge of him.” (Ephesians 1:17)

    Peter tells us:

    “3 Praised be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, for according to his great mercy he gave us a new birth to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,” (1 Peter 1:3)

    Actually if we worship Jesus we become idolaters, Why?

    Because Jesus not being God is the image of God, and to worship an image, one becomes an idolater.

    “15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation;” (Colossians 1:15)

    Who is Jehovah talking to when he says: "Let us make man in our image?"

    Well we know Jesus is made in God's image, thus Jehovah is talking to Jesus, his 'master worker'.

    “22 Jehovah produced me as the beginning of his way, The earliest of his achievements of long ago. . . . 30 Then I was beside him as a master worker. I was the one he was especially fond of day by day; I rejoiced before him all the time;” (Proverbs 8:22, 30)

    Then we mustn't forget about all the other sons of God, who were present when Jehovah created the earth and man.

    “ 4 Where were you when I founded the earth? . . . 7 When the morning stars joyfully cried out together, And all the sons of God began shouting in applause?” (Job 38:4-7)

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  • David
    Lv 7
    2 years ago

    If you deny the Lord Jesus Christ, you deny the Father as well. If you deny the Holy Spirit, that's akin to blasphemy.

  • 2 years ago

    We just worship the Father only as God as Jesussaid true worshippers would do.

    John 4:23

    ...the true worshippers will worship the Father with spirit and truth, for indeed, the Father is looking for ones like these to worship him.

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  • User
    Lv 7
    2 years ago

    1) How do Christians who don't accept the trinity reconcile God and Jesus and the Holy Spirit?

    In my experience, one or both of these ways:

    - ignoring several Bible passages that contradict whatever system of doctrines they believe that competes with the doctrine of trinity

    - declaring that those passages don't really mean what they teach and that they really mean something else - something compatible with whatever system of doctrines they believe that competes with the doctrine of trinity

    So

    for example

    when the apostle Thomas says to the resurrected Jesus, "My Lord and my God!"

    and in reply Jesus blesses everyone who believes the same (John 20:26-29)

    we have

    A - those who are ignorant of the passage

    B - those who say, "that doesn't mean that Jesus was God almighty" and give some excuse like

    - - Thomas wasn't saying that to Jesus even though the Bible teaches so. He was speaking to God.

    - - Jesus is just a god, not God almighty.

    etc.

    Edit

    2) If all these are completely separate entities, wouldn't that make someone who does not accept the trinity guilty of idolatry because they believe that their salvation comes from something other than faith in God?

    Point: that's not idolatry.

    Idolatry is worshiping an idol (or any thing that is not a deity) as a deity

    not

    believing that salvation comes from something other than, or in addition to, faith in God.

    3) Who is the US and OUR God is referring to? He refers to Himself this way often.

    Well...the passage does not identify who.

    Typically one of two explanations are used:

    - the speaker was speaking to the other Divine Persons of the trinity

    - the speaker was speaking to "the heavenly host" - that is, the angels of Heaven

    Note for example how Jehovah's Witnesses teach

    - that Jesus is Michael the archangel

    - that all created things excepting Jesus himself were created through Jesus

    Thus, Jehovah's Witnesses' very odd doctrine is compatible with that passage (though not with others, for example Hebrews 1).

  • 2 years ago

    I really don't know how any true Christian who is born again of the Spirit could miss the godhead in scripture all over the place. The very fact that we are commanded BY JESUS HIMSELF to water baptise those who believe in the ONE NAME OF Father, Son and Holy Spirit (Matthew 28: 19 & 20) should be proof enough, and then there are a myriad of scriptures which cite all three in one God - Father, Son and Holy Spirit being in the same place at the same time to witness peoples' salvation and baptisms. Acts 8: 34 - 40 is just one very clear example and Jesus Himself whilst being baptized had God the Father speaking from heaven and the Holy Spirit landing in the form of a dove upon Him all at the same time as He was being baptized by John.

    Really 1 John 5:7 caps it because it states categorically that there are three that bear witness in heaven, the Father, the Word and the Holy Spirit and THESE THREE ARE ONE. How could anybody miss that one?

    The only explanation is that they don't believe God's Word, or else, not being born again of the Spirit, they are blinded by the Devil, because 2 Corinthians 4:4 states that "The gospel of Christ is veiled to those who are perishing, whose minds the god of this age (Satan) has blinded, who do not believe, lest the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ who is the image of God should shine upon them"

    Those are the only explanations I can think of for anyone calling themselves a Christian and then not believing the entirety of God's Word.

  • there is only one Creator God..... God's Holy Spirit is a part of God... God is only one being.... he uses his Holy Spirit to... among many uncounted things... to inter act with man-kind, and to indwell those of The Body of His Church........ Jesus The Christ is The Son of God.... Jesus was conceived, and born Here on Earth to be the King of The Nation of Israel and to minister to those of The Nation of Israel.... a major part of the Salvation process required of those who seek to come to God is, that one accept Jesus for who, and what he is... and acknowledge to God what Jesus has done for all of man-kind and for the individual personally....... only those who complete the Salvation process will be accepted by God... those will be decreed by God to be of The Body of His Church... and their place in Heaven will be secure....

    The doctrine of the trinity is a false teaching invented by the papist catholics

  • Anonymous
    2 years ago

    If a person denies the biblical truth of the Trinity (Godhead) of Father, Son and Holy Spirit, then he calls God a liar and is no Christian at all.

    1Jo 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

    The Word is Jesus Christ

    Rev 19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

    Jhn 1:14 ¶ And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

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