Dont you think that after 2000 years from "St. Jan Revelation" the contents of Armageddon have changed?

Dear Robert,

First, I want to say that I appreciate your writing this question in what is not your first language. I know from experience that it takes effort to write in another language. (It's hard enough for me to write in English, and I was born in the US!--<smile> ) I wish I could answer you in Polish, but I can't. So I hope my answer is clear enough.

I'd like to reassure you that people are SUPPOSED to understand Revelation and what Armageddon is all about. The third verse says "Happy is he who reads aloud, and those who HEAR THE WORDS OF THIS PROPHECY, and who OBSERVE THE THINGS WRITTEN IN IT, for the appointed time is near." That means it's meant to be understood.

Although Revelation--which discusses Armageddon--is "presented in signs" or, "signified", (depending on which version you read), it is understandable if you have a good grasp of the rest of the Bible, which takes time and effort. Ezekiel and Daniel are extremely helpful.

Armageddon is something to be looked forward to. Although some people believe that Christians will engage in actual warfare, killing the wicked, it's not true. It's God's war, and true Christians will likely follow similar instructions God gave the Israelites thousands of years ago: That is, "Stand, and SEE your deliverance." Jesus said something similar: "When you see these things start to occur, stand erect and raise your head, for your deliverance is getting near.--Luke 21: 28. (Please also see Isaiah 11:1-4 and 35:3-4.)

Will any humans fight invisible forces? No. But a single angel slew 185,000 Assyrian enemies of Israel in one night, while everyone slept. Another time, wind began shaking baca bushes, and Israel's enemies became confused by the noise and killed each other. There are other accounts like that. NO, Christians will not need to fight, and should not. As Paul wrote: "Weapons of our warfare are not fleshly..."--1Corinthians 10:4. When Jerusalem was destroyed in 70 C.E., the Christians had already followed instructions Jesus gave 37 years earlier and escaped four years ahead of time. Ezekiel and Revelation both clearly bring out that humans who are fighting will be suddenly destroyed at Armageddon. Only the peaceful ones will be saved.

Many people do not realize it, but most of Revelation has already come to pass. It's just as Daniel has already been completely fufilled, except for a few details at the end of chapter 11 through 12. We are expecting a specific event that will mark the start of Armageddon. (This event is well-explained by verses at Revelation, 1 Thessalonians and Ezekiel, so though it will be sudden, it is no surprise.) Then there will be wonderful things to look forward to after Armageddon.

(I'm a member of a denomination that exists primarily to teach the Bible to those who want to learn about it. There's about 7 million of us, all of whom are qualified to teach after we have completed a course of study and become baptised.)

Five minutes later I added: (I think "Fire", who posted right after me, may also be of my "persuasion". I understand the things he mentions about what it takes to understand the Bible and what the symbols mean and the prophecy of 70 weeks of years in the same way.

You are certainly babbling. Perhaps because you read a bibble when the rest of us read our Bible.

The Bible has no hidden code, was not written in code, and is rather simple to understand when one applies ones self to simple study of the Bible. Nothing written, sung or parabled in the Bible has changed, but instead, everything is going along just as it was originally written and prophesied.

I'm not sure who St. Jan is but he/she is not in the Bible. Must be a bibble character. In any case, John is the believed author of the book of Revelation. Nothing in Revelation has changed, and if you get a Bible and study Revelation you will see that everything today is most certainly just as it was/is written. God certainly has no intentions of "surprising" us - which is exactly why He had the before, present and future written down and recorded for all mankind to see for generations upon generations.

Most households throughout the world have at least one Bible, and many have more than one. This fact makes the Bible the most widely printed and owned "book" of all time. I'm not sure where your bibble stands in these ratings.

Actually the bible is very simple. The symbolic writings in Revelation are explained in Daniel, Ezekiel, and Isaiah. Example the earth depicts people and the sea are (evil people). mountains can represent governments. It takes study and prayer and help from older men that also have been studying the bible to come to a understanding.. true people have twisted things for their benefit or thier own understanding. But no the bible is right on track. Think about the book of Daniel. Study that book.. especially the prophercy of the 70 weeks of years. I point out count from 607 bce when the temple was destroyed to the year 1914 time of world war one. It might surprise you.

I used to say that prophesy is for PREVENTION! Which it

is in many cases. And I have reached out for years.

But after the ARROGANCE I've seen from many in this world.

I now know that Jesus's words were correct. And the prophesies

regarding the End Times will not change in the least little bit!

Look for Iran, (the Medes and Persians), to ally with Libya

and Ethiopia.

I think it will be an attempt to block off the Suez Canal and Persian Gulf Region in order to disrupt the Worlds Economy. (Shipping and Trade). Then WORLD WAR 3!

The Bible is not written in codes. This is man's attempt to form his own opinions about Scripture instead of what God is saying. It must be taken in the context, time period and who it was written to. To understand the book of Revelation you must have a good understanding of the Old Testament. John was writing to the people who understood the old testament very well. The idea that Revelation is all future just pain false. Just read Revelation 1:1 which says "The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to show unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John." How can anyone say this is future when in the very first verse he was told it would happen shortly. Nowhere in the Bible do you find a prophesy that is described as happening shortly that occurs over 2000 years later. The longest period of time after it was said to shortly happen was approximately 14 years. The images used in Revelation was used to describe judgment in those days. The book of Revelation was warning about the destruction of Jerusalem in AD 70 as God's judgment for those who didn't believe Jesus. Although not all of Revelation has occurred most has. Jesus has not returned, the judgment of the wicked has not occurred just to name a few. These events are yet future which Revelation describes as will be yet to come. Satan has been loosed as you can see this with the evil increasing in the world. We are waiting on the return of Christ. Just make sure you have accepted him has your Saviour and are ready for his return.

Believe that all that is written is True and will come to past. God is not a man where He could lie... God is the same yesterday, today and forever!

Also keep in mind that the Bible was not written in English, therefore, you need a good Bible Concordance to take the words back to the Hebrew or the Greek...along with prayer for understanding.

The bible is a free for all, you can pick and choose what ever fits you agenda. Atheist live in the here and now and don't waist time on silly old books. Be good be nice

The contents don't change and in fact can't change. These things must be or the Lord was placed upon a cross for nothing.

pretty sure armageddon happened about 1000 years ago somehow

satan must have been in the pit about a thousand years i rekin

perhaps we should lock him up again seems he wants to do armygeddin it on again?

The bible is not written in a complicated code.

THE MINDS OF HUMANS BEST WAKE UP TO FACE THE JUDGEMENT DAY

If we are from childhood taught heaven and hell and we began to read the book at age 20, if it does not teach heaven and hell, we will be age 30 before we realize that. It hurts your mind when things are not what you have been taught that it is.

When any one learns things are different than what they had in their mind for years, do they switch over [ become converted, become humble as a little child to start over and mold their mind, to see what Jesus sees ? ], to the truth the bible says it is or do they call the bible a lie by ancient people? THIS IS THE DIFFERENT WAY EACH MIND GETS IT.

EXAMPLE:

KJV Bible 1611 published + 303 = 1914 CE an excepted translation for the world in the last days for WHO? THE END OF WORLD FOR WHO? Eph 2:7; 3:21 The world with Jesus is without end John 3:16; He bring eternal life.

Rev.17:1-14 world will end, FOR Satan IN seventh world Empires, Jesus second coming is in the 8th [ how old is the 8th? ]; this old world end and no more Satan? Matt.24:3,7,14,15,22,34,36-38 [ Only God knows the day and hour ]; As it should be.

Rev.9:1-5 [ 5x 30 = 150 days? ], 12:16 THE SEALED OF GOD ARE PRESENT? The angels prepare 391 days? Rev.16:12-16 The croak of frogs from the dragon [ no one knows where the sound is coming from or if it is important ], beast and false prophet are spirits of devils going forth unto the kings of the earth and the whole world, to gather them to battle at Armageddon.

One battle [ in bible ], there was that God sent a world king against another world king, and the Promised Land king was told to stay out of it, it had nothing to do with him, but he disguised himself and went into it and was killed.

Rev.12:6-11,12 [ Michael and his angels cast Satan and his angel out of heaven ];

Has any human ever said, I sure know when that happened ??

Jesus was crucified, resurrected and ascended back to heaven in year 33.

WHAT FOR? Matt.22:42-45; Acts 2:27-31; Heb.1:1-13; Rom.16:20; Luke 10:18 SAYS TO WAIT UNTIL SATAN AND HIS ANGELS AS ENEMIES ARE CAST DOWN TO FOOTSTOOL EARTH, this is prophecy, from days of king David, from Daniel???

SATAN AND ANGELS CAST DOWN:

As Rev.12:6-11,12 says but the bible [ the word of God as truth to die for ], is involved so where is the prophecy? Michael is involved, so where is the prophecy?

DANIEL 12:1-13 [ MICHAEL ]:

Daniel 12:1-7 [ 2500 after Daniel and Michael Jude 9; is contending with Satan ?? ];

Dan.8-10 [ 2520 or 7x 360 for math = 2520 or Dan.7:25 for math or Dan.8:12-14 2300 ];

BIBLE [ 2300 or 1694 in world + 300? to 1994 HOW IMPORTANT IS THE WORD ?

FOR MATH [ Dan.9:2,24-27 Messiah will come and be cut off 483rd year, year 33 ];

If 2520 after Daniel Rev.12:6-11,12 occurs, Daniel is 606 BCE less 2520 = 1914 CE.

1914 CE and 1611 bible an excepted translation, WW1 is a first for 1260 days, 42 months or three and on half years [ 3 1/2 years ]. Rev.11:1-3; 12:6,14; 13:1-5,6-10;

1914 to 1918 FIRST WORLD WAR: Rev.13:11-18 WW2 and holocaust foward ];

Dan.12:11 [ 2x 1290 = ] 2580 LESS 2520 and 80 years later past WW2 and holocaust.

WORLD CONFLICT:

Dan.12:12 [ 2x 1335 = ] 2670 LESS 2520 and 150 years Rev.9:1-5 [ 5x 30 = 150 pit open for Satan and SEALED OF GOD ARE THERE ]; will have passed but we are now 92 years after 1914 or 92 years past 2520 [ = 2612 ] after Babylon destroyed Promised Land kings AND THERE WILL BE NO KING UNTIL KING JESUS IN THE KINGDOM OF THE HEAVENS. Rev.3:12; Heb.12:22-24; His with him at his coming.

Heb.9:27 It is appointed unto man once to die and after that the judgement.

1Cor,15:22 As in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

JUDGEMENT DAY SCRIPTURES [ Rev.7:9-17 survive the great tribulation ]:

Rev.20:1-6 Heavenly 1000 year day, resurrects earthly 12, 13; Acts 24:15; John 5:26-29; Dan.12:2; Isa.26:19; 1Cor,15:22-28,51-53; RESURRECTED 2Cor.5:10 all must face the judgement seat of Christ. Rom.14:9-12 Jesus is Lord of dead and living and all will bow before him to confess God John 17:3 [ this is life eternal that they might know thee, and Jesus Christ whom thou has sent ]; Philip.2:5.9-12 [ all on earth or under earth ]; Rev.21;1-5 All is made as perfect as it was before Eden 2Pet.3:13 There is a new heavens and a new earth.