If complex things need a designer, what doesn't God require a designer?

        Because He is God. That's the definition of a True God -- one whom needs no designer. Only something that is made requires a maker. The One True God of Heaven had no maker. Note that He is also the Master Designer. ;-)

God bless.

There is no evidence that complex things require a designer. That idea only comes from the limited minds of delusional people who lack knowledge of natural processes, and have limited abilities to think. The "argument for irreducible complexity" refutes itself, there's no need to go into logical twists to try to refute it. First, nothing has ever been demonstrated to actually *be* irreducibly complex, so the entire argument is moot. Second, even if something *were* found to be irreducibly complex, that would NOT prove that there was a designer -- to prove a designer, you'd have to show evidence of a designer, not just that something seems too complex for us to understand. A "designer god" doesn't win by default when we don't know the answer. It's all about evidence. Peace.

Life can meet you any way you want and need. If you need it to be complex I'm sure you can find it deep and confusing enough to rattle your cage to your satisfaction. In the end what you get is what you want. Some people don't want a confusing complex life and then there are people like me who don't know enough to deny the existence of a power way beyond me that has personality just like me but more complex. Maybe a scientist can complicate it more for you if you need. At any rate have fun either way.

unfortunately your attempt to undercut the argument that God is simple requires ignoring the main theological traditions which have claimed this for over 1000years. You are confusing simplicity in nature with fullness of content. is the thought of 'bird' simpler or more complex than the thought of every existing bird? I would say no. Yet the thought of 'bird' contains in principle the thought of every bird.

If you really want to claim God is complex, then you will have to accept the idea that God is more complex than anything else, in which case a priori you cannot imagine anything more complex than God.

Take a look at the "Golden Ratio" and then re-write your question. Nature is far from simple and the parallels in its angles are hugely complex. I am not going to explain it to you but it;'s the mathematical equation of nature, it appears everywhere.

That may have been a tad harsh. I studied it in my design class. It may be a bit difficult to wrap your head around to be honest. But the premise is this, every natural shape has a specific ratio of it's angles and parts. This was actually discovered by Greek Architects a forever ago. But it occurs everywhere in nature. And I ever read a study lately about it being used to gauge beauty in people's faces. That this ratio is something we find to be attractive. So basically this ratio is a complex mathematical equation for beauty.

So I would argue that God's design is in fact highly complex and designed, but i am a designer after all.

The best, if rather contrived explanation, is the same as for the question about not being able to get something from nothing:

God existed before he created the rules about complexity and that something doesn't come from nothing.

I guess that this is somewhat reasonable, but it does seem to beg the question.

God is a spiritual being - an unembodied mind, a non-physical entity.

A mind is not composed of parts, and its salient properties, like self-consciousness, rationality, and volition, are essential to it. Such a mind may have complex ideas—it may be thinking, for example, of infinitesimal calculus.

There is also an answer that is in a book I've been reading which states that assuming that God had a creator assumes that God was created. Instead what you'll find is that many people believe that God always was - he was not created.

Actually, a complex thing does not need a complex designer, or in fact any sort of designer at all. All that is needed is a process by which complexity can arise, and there is such a process: it is called evolution, and it is a proven fact that it occurs.

God is the Ultimate Designer. Our greatest scientists are still trying to figure out His designs. They're seeing what He has made (whether they acknowledge Him or not) and trying to figure out how it works. They still haven't figured out all His designs, let alone figured out how He made these many and varied designs.

He is also eternally existant. He never had a beginning or an end, He always was, hard as that is for a finite human mind to fathom.