Do you agree if not then why? Creation or Big Bang?

Why can't it be both?Or neither?These possibilities hurt the heads of the narrow minded.

Before the universe there was no big empty space. There was not even one dimension in what is now our universe. That is one flaw alot of people include in their logic, and also, the universe is not infinitely big, it has its limits. Before the big bang there was NOTHING absolutely nothing, not even a spacial dimension or a time dimension. What ever caused the big bang(probably a white hole, think reverse of a black hole) created all spacially dimensions that we know now as the four dimensions, the three spacial and the fourth the time. So, until the big bang there wasnt even space for things to be created in, only after the big bang and rapid expansion of our existence were the laws of physics and gravity/particles/matter etc put into effect becuase before it I reiterate there was nothing. And the universe is only is big as it is old, this holds true to the fact that there was nohing before the big bang. So if we could measure one extreme of the universe to the other we could figure out exactly how old it is by applying some simple math using a variable that deals with the expansion speed of the universe.

Did you intentionally leave out the fact the Primordial Atom theory was proposed and championed by a Catholic Priest.

All Big Bang does is explain how the process of creation seems to have occurred on both a Newtonian and Small Particle physics level.

It does not negate a Creationist process, that can be likened to Oppenheimer and the A-Bomb.

Nor can we escape the fact that, taken time dialation (relatavistic frames) into account, Genesis documents, in simplified terms, the exact process and did this over 3,000 years ago documented archaologically.

If you recall photons were created in day one and the Earth and Sun on day 4 and large beasts on day 5 and man at the end of day 6.

Dr. Carl Sagan proposed a 30 day month in which man first arrived on the first moment of the last day of the first month and we are still in that first hour.

So physicists can establish a 14 billion year time frame with the Earth and Sun at 4.5 billion (that's 2/3 same as day 4) and, of course, things are slowing, we don't travel at the speeds of Quasars we travel at far lower speeds so time speeds up according to Einstein. Billions eventually become millions as time frames slow down.

Science explains the big bang was not from nothing but from a singularity that was all the matter and energy in the universe compressed into a single point that then expanded rapidly!! So in answer to your question it was always here!! But why are BAD christians always claiming the big bang came from nothing? Are they that ignorant? Did they sleep through school or is it that they know the truth but think they can twist it because everyone is gullible?!! But funnily enough the christian churches say that people that think like yourself do appear to be gullible and screwed thinkers!! The Pope, Catholic Church, Church of England and mainstream churches all accept the big bang and evolution!! Lord Carey the former Archbishop of Canterbury put it rather well – “Creationism is the fruit of a fundamentalist approach to scripture, ignoring scholarship and critical learning, and confusing different understandings of truth”!! Nice that christians and atheists can agree and laugh together even if it is at your expense!!

Big Bang for certain, nuclear power and weapons are proof. the theory of the big bang sits perfectly into einsteins special theory of relativity, it relies on it. This theory which also gives us the nuclear bomb. So if you don't believe in the big bang you can't believe in nuclear weapons or power.

I don't see how you listed the proof of the big bang then went to something with zero proof? eve got thrown out of the garden of eden anyhow didnt she? adam and eve never had children. And then, we would all be incestuous and deformed *shivers* Like descending from noahs family.

The sun will burn out, and likely become a white dwarf, its not a big star our sun, certainly won't super nova. As for how the universe rotates and spins etc? Well you have no idea of the concept of time it took to get where we are and into such a stable position. Where we are in our solar system used to be where an older bigger star has already lived and died, and this solar system was reborn with carbon and other important building blocks of life available thanks to that exploded star.

You say the theory of the big bang is not true because it works? that seems to be your argument? I don't comprehend that, if it didnt work we wouldnt be here to discuss it. Creation sets the age of the universe to 10,000 years? With all this renewal you talk of, then doesn't that more kill your creation theory rather than the big bang?

You've set up a very long winded false dichotomy. For example, there's no essential reason why somebody couldn't believe in a created big bang, or in something else entirely different. Why allow a meagre two options? That means your premises are vacant.

And then you play around with probability, and pretend an apparently low probability might as well equate with 0. On the other side of the equation, you haven't attempted to rate the probability of you own personal favourite, and claimed a non-exsistent victory on the grounds of default.

<<Another point of logic, If you put everything needed into a box to build a house, how many times would you have to dump out the box to get a perfectly built house? The chances are 0 to infinity.>>

Another point of logic. The final sentence is meaningless babble. A probability of 0 to infinity is a phrase devoid of meaning.

Have you calculated the probabilities of your pet faith position being correct yet? After all, there are many other faiths and interpretations on the planet, so we'd presumably have to start with odds of 6 billion to one against your particular view being correct. And then we can add in many billions more for the views of the decased. And then there are the incredible odds invovled in the possibility of precisely you having been born. After all, if your great-great grandmother hadn't got lost on that evening, and taken refuge in the deserted shed and...

You see, the probabilities involved in the precise ancestry leading up to your conception are incredibly remote. Clearly, given the enormous odds stacked against your view being the correct one, as well as those involved with your birth, we might as well assume you're both wrong and non-existent.

The things you stated are at least somewhat convincing, but not valid evidence.

Near the end, you said something about intelligence needed to build a house, which I do agree. You continued by saying that it did require some intelligence to build the galaxies and so on, so that is where a "Creator" is needed. I would hate to say this, but if we had a "super creator" who created everything, who created that creator and we can continue to infinity.

By the way, the sun will not continue forever and will die some time.

Well the big bang in my opinion is just a guess that's scientist came up with to how the universe was formed. They don't know if its entirely true or false its just a rough estimate to try and figure out how the universe was formed. Most people believe in it but others have other beliefs. Its kind of like gravity, we know its there but what exactly causes it?, Scientist aren't entirely sure.

Here's the fundamental flaw in your reasoning:

"So is the theory of the big bang true. No! so that just leaves one other thought, and that is, creation."

The human brain can, and almost certainly will construct hundreds of other possible explanations for the universe around us. The Big Bang and creation by the diety of a primitive Hebrew tribe are merely how the game's being defined at the moment.

Could God be our emotional punching pad? A hypothesis, to fall back upon, whenever, we fall short of logical, rational explanations, which the human mind "can" comprehend, with its human yard-sticks and resources?

But, the logic and rationality of the Universe, is "far beyond" the limited & finite, "comprehension-capacity of the human mind," pertaining to the human species, alone! Apart from unknown galaxies, there may even be "special unknown species" existing in the limitless universe (including also in the known portion of the universe) which are beyond the human sensory perceptions and human mind! Aliens may be seated amidst you and me, guiding our very thought processes, unknown to our limited sensory and mental, powers of perception!

well than, If we were created by energy why are our bodys so complex, if energy created us why would we have the needs we have love, lust, greed, invy, and more. furthermore what would cause energy to create a LIFE not more "plasma" and even deeper thought why would it matter, our years may only be a day on another planet and if space goes even farther why did GOD create so many planets, do you think during his seven days that he possibly got it wrong!