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Why is 1914 NOT the year Jesus presence or coming began, from Daniel 7:1-33.?
SORRY..I meant Daniel 4: 1-33
Daniel 4:24 this IS THE interpretation, O king, and the decree of the Most High is that which must befall my lord the king.
33) At that moment the WORD itself WAS FULLFILLED upon Nebuchadnezzar..
This prophecy of the 7 times according to Daniel, was interpreted only for Nebuchadnezzar and was fullfilled in him alone.
Also, 2Thessalonians 1:6-2:12..says that concerning the PRESENCE of our Lord Jesus Christ...not to be quickly shaken through an inspired expression or through a verbal message or through a letter from us, (REAL APOSTLES) that the day of Jehovah is here.
It will not come unless the 'man of lawlessness and the apostacy'..whom the Lord Jesus will do away with by the spirit of his mouth and bring to nothing by the manifestation of his PRESENCE.
Jesus says we do not know the hour of his arrival, many times.
Matthew 24:42 Keep on the watch, therefore, because you so not know on what day your Lord is coming.
Also Luke 21:25- 31 shows that those things must happen, then..
..the signs in sun, moon, and stars ..and men becoming faint out of fear, for the powers of the heavens will be shaken, and then they will see the Son of man coming ..with power..when you SEE these things occurring, know that the kingdom of God is near. (Acts 2:16-21)
These things did not happen yet...so the Kingdom of God, the 1,000 year reign did not start yet. ( 5/29/08)
As far as Jesus becoming a King, that happened before he was a man.
Matthew 28:18 All authority HAS BEEN GIVEN ME in heaven and on earth.
John 18:37 b.."You yourself are saying that I AM a KING."..
Matthew 6:9 Let your will take place, AS IN HEAVEN, also upon earth.
We can see here that Jesus was a King before coming to earth and that the battle with Satan and his angels, and their being removed from HEAVEN happened before Jesus became the son of man...as only God's will is done in heaven since then.
As far as Elijah goes, Jesus said there would be another fulfillment after John the Baptist. Matthew 17:11
But, as far as Daniels prophecy goes, the Bible says it was fulfilled.
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- 1 decade agoFavorite Answer
Matthew 17:10-12
"The disciples put the question to him: “Why, then, do the scribes say that Elijah must come first?” In reply he said: “Elijah, indeed, is coming and will restore all things. However, I say to you that Elijah has already come and they did not recognize him."
This is just one example of the fact that prophecy oftentimes has more than one fulfullment. So you can't dogmatically state that Daniel's prophecy was only for Nebuchadnezzar and fulfulled in him alone.
Matthew 24:42
"Keep on the watch, therefore, because you do not know on what day your Lord is coming."
Yes, his COMING (Greek erkhomenon), as opposed to his PRESENCE (Greek parousia). Those are different words and referring to different things. Since Jesus was installed as king in 1914, he is "present." At Armageddon, Jesus is "coming." We do NOT know when Armageddon is coming. We DO know when his presence started.
- keiichiLv 61 decade ago
It does not seem reasonable that the seven times do not apply beyond Nebuchadnezzar. Every prophecy in Daniel points to some aspect of Christ's kingdom, so the prophecy of the seven times would be an anomaly if it did not have a greater application.
However, the book of Daniel will not be unsealed until the actual time of the end.
Which occurs at the first incursion of the 8th king.
Like the Jews with their holy temple, the leadership of Jehovah's Witnesses also presume to have Jehovah's unreserved blessing. But, obviously calamity did come upon the Jews and their temple—just as Jesus indicated that calamity will also be brought upon the holy place during the tribulation. When referring to the coming desolation of the holy place, Jesus urged the discerning reader to consult the book of Daniel. And indeed, Daniel foretold that "arms" proceeding from the king of the north (8th king):
"will actually profane the sanctuary, the fortress, and remove the constant feature…And they will certainly put in place the disgusting thing that is causing desolation."
Source(s): References quoted are from 1st century, 20th Century and 21st century anointed Christians that make up the bride of Christ. - 1 decade ago
Why does Revelation 6:1-7 show that 1914 IS the year of Jesus' presence?
- ?Lv 44 years ago
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- 'maters GrannyLv 71 decade ago
Next time the Witnesses knock ask them to show you the time table for Jesus's arrival. Sit down and talk with them, you's be surprised what you will learn. Be open minded and have your bible there.
- Vöt ÄnårжLv 71 decade ago
Hey- Vot is stumped.
I don't know how to answer that question. How about you ask it the other way round, you know, without the negating "NOT"?
It's like asking Vot "Why is photosynthesis NOT the way green plants make food?"
Vot cannot answer that either!!!
1914 IS the year Jesus' presence began.
Photosynthesis IS the way green plants make food.
- Miller _JALv 51 decade ago
Daniel 4 is about Nebuchadnezzar's dream pertaining to different kingdoms. It was not stated when Jesus would come inthat passage.
- Anonymous1 decade ago
j/winesses said that was the year , when he didn;t arrive they preached he had arrived in spirit, so they changed the year to 1968, lo and behold no jesus
- jeniLv 71 decade ago
BIBLE BOOKS DEAL WITH AND EXTREME AMOUNT OF MATH
Some think it is the age of the earth, but it is not, this time is very important It needs to be examined as there are so many variations of bible time by man, I for one think there is no excuss for it, to get it wrong means all are wrong.
EXAMINE:
Abraham 427 yrs after Flood, dies 527, Isaac dies 632, Jacob Gen.47:9,11; 642 in Egypt [ 215 yrs after covenant ]; Jacob/Israel dies 659 yrs after flood. Gen.47:28; Joseph dies 712 yrs after flood. Gen.50:26; Levi dies 730 yrs after flood Exo.6:16; Job dies 777 yrs after the flood. Kohath and Amram to Aaron and Moses Exo.6:18-23,26; 857 yrs after flood to Exodus of Egypt. Aaron Num.33:38,39; dies 40th yr age 123. Moses Deut.1:3; 34:7; dies 40th yr age 120, 897 yrs after flood.
Joshua ends 40 yrs, Josh 5:6,10,12; 14th day New Year, 898 after flood.
Deut.1:3; 34:7; Judges 11:26 [ 300 yrs ]; 1198 after flood, 1212 BC
MOSES AT EXODUS TO SAMUEL OR ISAAC TO JOSHUA?
Acts 13:20,21 [ 450 yrs, if from Isaac age 5, at 457 yrs after flood is 907 yrs after flood to Joshua, if Isaac at death 632 after flood & 450 yrs is 1082 ].
If from Exodus 857 yrs after flood & 450 is 1307 yrs after flood, 1103 BC, Samuel and Saul is king from 1117 BC to less 14 yrs to 1103 BC, has 26 yrs is 1333 yrs after flood, at 1077 BC, David 1077, 40 yrs king is 1373 yrs after flood and 1037 BC. 1Ki.2:10,11; David age 70 dies.
KING SOLOMON
Solomon 4th yr, 1Ki.6:1[ 480 yrs if from 857 at Exodus is 1337 yrs after flood, and from Moses death [ 480 + 897 = ] 1377 yrs after flood, Solomon has 36 yrs to 1Ki.11:42; at 1413 after flood, yr 3069, dies age 69, 997 before Christ.
SOLOMON IS AT 1KI.6:1; IS 480 YEARS AFTER MOSES DIES AND 36 YEARS
Flood 1656, Abraham 427, Moses 430, Trek 40, Solomon 480, Solomon 36, kings 391 for year 3460 at Daniel, 1804 yrs after flood [ Flood 1656, Abraham 427, Moses at Exodus 957, Moses dies 897, Solomon yr 4, 1Ki.6:1 [ 480 yrs ]; 1377, 1Ki.11:42 [ 36 ]; 1413 yrs after flood, [ 997 BC ], Flood 1656 plus 1413 is year 3069, and 997 BC.
Daniel is and kings end, 391 yrs after Solomon dies, 1804 yrs after flood, 606 BC [ 1656 plus 1804 is yr = ] year 3460 2Ki.25:8, 27-30; 2Chr,36:20-23; 907 yrs after Moses death.
RATHER THAN SAY 1914 IT CAN BE YEAR 5980 OR 2520 AFTER DANIEL
Dan.4:16,23,25,32 [ 7x 360 = ] 2520 yrs plus 3460 is yr 5980 or yr 3460 plus 606 plus 1914 after Christ is yr 5980 is Satan's short time in the time of the end by Michael Dan.12:1-13 [ Michael in the time of the end, Rev.12:6-12 [ gives Satan his short time in the time of the end for Rev.11:1-3; 13:5; 42 months times 30 days each month is 1260 days, 1914,1915,1916, and 1/2 1918 is WW1, KJV bible published 303 years ago before WW1, heavens are cleansed WOE to earth, Rev.13:6-18 [ WW2 & holocaust ], Michael is there to last at 1Thes.4:15-17; John 6: 39, 40,44 [ 14:3; a place is prepared for the heavenly from yr 5980 and now is 6074 ];
Daniel at yr 3460, gives 2300, 2500, 2520, 2590 and 2670, 2008 after Christ Jesus is 2614 after Daniel. THE BIBLE NEEDS THE MATH IT GIVES TO BE KNOWN 1Thes.5:1-9; To children of the light of times and seasons, Jesus does not come as a thief in the night Matt.24:3,7,14,15,22,36 [ God gives everything but the day and the hour ] 37-40; To the world it is as in the days of Noah at Jesus 2nd coming.
Source(s): Bible.