"How come it doesn't seem like men take women on "real" dates anymore?" ?

I AGREE WITH YOU 100%

Feminists killed chivalry. Feminists killed the gentleman, so all you femis complaining about men - STOP COMPLAINING BECAUSE YOU MADE MEN THAT WAY. Thanks alot femis, NOT.

I am a girl with very traditional values - I like being treated like a lady and I also like to be submissive to men - you might say I'm old-fashioned, but to tell the truth, I would rather die than be a feminist with all their silly ranting about equality. I love being a woman and I love men, I embrace the differences between men and women. I agree with Rupert G - JUST BECAUSE WE ARE DIFFERENT, DOESNT MEAN WE ARE NOT EQUAL

I think the old days were really nice and I love being a traditional lady :)

I think there's a HUGE difference between "equal rights" and "chivalry".

Of course, we'd love to get equal wages and have a right to vote, work, etc. But that all concerns matters of the law.

Chivalry, on the other hand, is a matter of the heart. I personally find gentlemen do be very desirable. A man who is old-fashioned and respects women is a turn on ;)

I think between the first feminist movement and now, there has been a lot of confusion between the two.

Edit: Rupery G - It's sad that you've been scowled for being a gentleman, I myself and my friends, have NEVER scowled a man for opening a door. ANd I don't have the kind of perception of a man who buys me dinner, either! I don't know where you find your women, lol..

Not the tippi top: I don't think chivalry and being able to vote are on the same level, do you? One is of much more value than the other. I see chivalry as someone who's courteous and has good manners. It should play a part in the woman's role, too! I think we're misunderstanding each other because our definitions are different.

My definition of feminism is like originalkippyj's below (she says it a lot better than I can).

And I do support a general subservience on the woman's behalf, I think that would come as a natural part of the relationship. But there shouldn't be a tally.

I'm not sure if you're familiar, but nowadays subservience doesn't equate to gender-based chores/roles.

(Wow, i just read most of your questions in your profile, lol...)

Yeah I never really went on any 'real dates'. I was either going out boyfriend and girlfriend with you or jus having sex with you. Thats how it works round here and I always had loads of boyfriends but I met my husband at 18 so I never got on to the dating scene really.

I have never been asked out on date. I have only been asked if I wanted to be the persons girlfriend, someone I met for a casual thing in club or they have been my mate and we have just had sex here and there.

Thats why dont really get the you or him paying thing as once you are boyfriend and girlfriend you spilt it so I have never really done the guys take me on loas of dates things. Its way better the way we do it I think. There are no arguments and everything is straight forward. Chivilary would annoy the hell out of me cause I am just not that type of girl. I believe in good manners for everyone cause thats the way I was raised. Special treatment would embarass me at all the places I regularly go to so I would want the same for men and women.

your second paragraph says it all. I never NEVER saw women as inferior - what I have seen during my 30 years is an inability of woman to see themselves as DIFFERENT but at the same time being EQUAL. it really is very sad - guys like me love women because they are different, think different etc.

But like many men - we're not going to set ourselves up for ridicule when we're trying to act how we've been raised. Im happy to pay for a meal as I asked the lady out - not because Im going to demand sex 30 mins later..

This isnt the 70s no more - we don;t wear medallions or fake chest hair but we still want a woman to be a woman.

but nowadays - I don;'t even bother opening a door for a woman (after the amount of scowls I get for doing so).

chivalry is dead ladies. You killed it.

Women would like equal rights in terms of equal pay for equal jobs, equal opportunities to serve in the military, equal opportunities for our ideas to be taken seriously, since we have many good ideas. However, we still want to be treated as special by someone to whom we may eventually give ourselves, and when we give, we give our whole selves. Subservience has nothing to do with it. I wash my husband's laundry or shovel out his parking space because he works long hours in order to care for me. That's not subservience. That's mutual love, acceptance and respect.

We go out on real dates, but I usually plan them because he has little time and not much imagination in that area. However, he certainly does run around to open my car door before my hand reaches the handle. He certainly does open doors for me and anyone else behind me, as well. He holds my chair. There's a million more little things we do for each other. The division of labor is completely unequal, but unequal at all times, and sometimes in his favor/sometimes in mine.

Prior to our marriage, we both paid for dates, depending upon who asked for the date. However, I made my expectations regarding being treated as the lady I am abundantly clear right from the first date. Too many women devalue themselves...why would a man value a woman enough to treat her as well as I am treated, if she's willing to accept less?

Because they don't need to any longer. Sure, some people still date, but increasingly it's gone by the wayside, which isn't a bad thing. The traditional mode of dating favors women too much, really, in the context of men and women being equal.

The problem is that certain girls "spoil" guys. As in, they'll put out on the first date, etc. etc. So, men have become used to this. idk I'm a psych major and overanalyze things. But imo if girls closed their legs, guys might put forth more effort to get laid. Because that's all that they're expecting in the end.

Dating is a pain in the neck. Its phony. If you want to go somewhere lets say fishing, maybe something you want to go see, having a bbq, friends are going to a garden show ask the person, spend some time this way with them you will get to know them better, not the phony restaurant scene, that can come later if you feel like it. See if you have things in common you can do together, that is how you get to know them. When you go on a date everybody is in their best behaviors, all dressed up cute, and which fork to use, to uptight to act yourself, do something you both will enjoy.

"I AGREE WITH YOU 100%

Feminists killed chivalry. Feminists killed the gentleman, so all you femis complaining about men - STOP COMPLAINING BECAUSE YOU MADE MEN THAT WAY. Thanks a lot femis, NOT."

Even now when a man opens a door for the privileged princess he still gets abused..

Got to make up your minds ladies. You want to be treated like you think you deserve you are dreaming, want to be treated like a lady ? stop dreaming as that term is gone. Want to be treated like an equal? pay the bill..

Free loading seems to be one of women's favourite past time and it going to stop. The free ride is OVER..

Very perceptive question.

I still ask women out on dates. I get no responses to the affirmative, but that is another story. Maybe guys are just tired of being turned down? It does work the nerves.