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Christians have you heard of this father of the church?
Saint Ignatius He was the Bishop of Antioch in the early second century. He was condemned to die in Rome during the persecutions and was fed to the lions of Rome’s coliseum (AD 107) and afterward his body was transported back to Antioch. Ignatius is one of the closest links we have with the apostolic church; the question is why does he hold such a high view of the Eucharist if the Apostles didn’t? He did, after all, claim to receive what he taught from the apostle John, did he purposefully lie? I think not.
While on his journey to Rome he wrote seven letters to seven churches. After reading these letters one thing is noticeable, his high view of the Eucharist. The Sacrament is the beating heart of his teachings. He echoes the sacrificial language employed in the Didache when he speaks of the church as “the place of sacrifice” where the episcopos (bishop) presides over the Eucharist. For Ignatius the church received its unity in Christ during table worship (e.g. the Eucharist). A sacramental ontology of the church, if you wish.
Ignatius marked those who deny the real presence as abject heretics “because they abstain from the Eucharist and from prayer; because they do not confess the Eucharist to be the flesh of our Savior Jesus Christ.” (Smyrnaeans, 7). This is where it gets real interesting for those who deny the real presence; Ignatius said they should not even be served the Eucharist as doing so would precipitate spiritual death. (1 cor 11-28:30) In him we also find an undertone of the necessity of apostolic succession; “let that be deemed a proper Eucharist which is administered either by the bishop or by one to whom he has entrusted it.” (Ibid., 8). So in sum, Mass, for Ignatius, is not valid unless it is offered and accepted as the real presence of Christ by a bishop (or a priest entrusted by the bishop) in succession The underlying idea is that all apostolic teaching is not contained in the Scripture and therefore we must employ tradition to aid in our understanding. Just to clarify before I’m called a heretic, I do believe the Scriptures of the Old and New Testaments contain everything necessary for life and salvation in Christ. They do not, however, tell us everything; this is why we employ tradition. As Ignatius traveled to Rome his concern was for a Eucharistic theology;
just thought you might like to know what the first Christians where being taught and believed.
thoughts....
CJ no point is there?
Rome, I can prove you wrong, you have no validity in your claim friend, but what's new.
sorry I meant paul,
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- johnnydepp1118Lv 51 decade agoFavorite Answer
Othere links include St. John having personally ordained St. Polycarp as bisho symrna. and Sts ireanus and Polycarp witnessing St. John finaly writing down his gosple whech he had previously recited in about 70 ad.
Our ealiest manuscript is the gosple according to St. Mathew oddly enough written in armic indicating that it was probably transcribed. this date sto about 50 ad, but no worries it doesnt really matter when they were written becaue they were recited by the eye wtiness at our masses prior to them actually writing them down anyway.
Also we don't want to foorget St. andrew St. Andrew ordained St. Stachys as its first bishop Byzantium.
Source(s): Catholic Tradition/History - QuantumLv 41 decade ago
CJ the Eucharist is unbiblical LOL, and your source, My God you will have some explaining to do, Do you know this is exactly what the Romans said about the Christians, The very same, seems the church fathers where all liars idol worshipping according to Cj and his kind.
Yes I knew of this teaching and it is very well documented and credited by many scholars, I can't even think straight after reading Cj's answer, as for paul well there you go, as far away from scripture as you can get, do you think people who serve Satan's will know they are doing so?
- BruceLv 71 decade ago
Yes. Ignatius of Antioch is one of the greatest fathers of the church. He was a disciple of the apostle John, which gave him the opportunity to closely question the disciple who Jesus loved.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignatius_of_Antioch
Any contemporary of the disciples is far better positioned to understand Jesus' teachings than tendentious readers like Luther and Calvin 1500 years after the fact. If we want to know what Jesus meant, we should ask these church fathers rather than make our own imaginative scripture readings.
Cheers,
Bruce
- Anonymous1 decade ago
Ignatius and all other men are not inspired nor inerrant. The truth is that the majority of Church fathers rejected transubstantiation. So both the Bible and tradition deny the RC doctrine of the Eucharist, but apparently they have still convinced you.
- James OLv 71 decade ago
reading the Church fathers can be unsettling for many Protestants since they are so Catholic/Orthodox and not cryop-Baptist.