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Why can't Muslims Debate their beliefs?
Whenever someone on this board questions the beliefs and practices of Islam, they become the targets of censorship and vicious abuse. Very rarely do any of the Muslims here seek to challenge the criticism or endeavor to demonstrate that the criticism is misguided.
Instead, we are censored. There isn't a non-muslim here who hasn't had perfectly legitimate questions or answers deleted, for the sole reason that they challenged fundamental Islamic beliefs.
We also become the targets of vicious, hateful messages that would be very bone-chilling if they weren't so laughable. Don't believe me? I've assembled a number of the messages my friends and I have received here: http://sites.google.com/site/religionofpeaceprojec... These attacks include threats against our person and our families.The truly amazing thing is that the people who send these vicious attacks often block their accounts so e-mail can't be sent back. How brave. How courageous.
It seems to me that if Islam is such a fundamental truth, it would be internally consistent, logical, and consistent with what we know historically. If this is true, then it's supporters should be able to easily deflect criticism. We feel it is none of these, and cite many examples to support our position. When we do so, we're not engaged in a debate of ideas, but are subjected to ad hominum attacks. Do Muslims understand the difference between attacking an idea and attacking a person? If you call me names and challenge my intelligence, you have done nothing to defeat my argument, or to promote yours.
For these reasons, I suspect that in the marketplace of ideas, Islam is bankrupt, and can only tolerate a monopoly market, where ideas that do not agree with Islam are suppressed and not allowed to be discussed. I would sincerely welcome honest intellectual debate that demonstrates this is not so.
Please be careful with your answers, so as not to prove my point through example.
Oxy - So I'm a brainwashed bigot? That you for proving my premise!
Oxy - My apologies if you're referring to Muslims. . .;)
Yanar89 - Very few of these answers were directed at me, but they were prompted by public statements from me and my friends here on Y!A. Most of them have "SoC" after their names. The thing is that an attack on Islam is NOT necessarily an attack on Muslims. We all believe that Muslims are often the genuinely devout, honest, good people. We also believe that they are the primary victims of Islam.
Ulquiorra - I appreciate your attitude. From a third-person standpoint, outside looking in, it seems that there's a significant absence of fellows like you socially policing their fellow Muslims, both here on Y!A and in the world in general. Without such policing, the radicals and terror-mongers seem to keep hijacking the movement.
Noor: The Serbs weren't doing anything to the Albanian Muslims that the Albanian muslims wouldn't have cheerfully been doing to the Serbs if the balance of power had been reversed. And if you will recall, it was American Air power bombing the crap out of Serb infrastructure that put an end to it. Yes, Americans fighting on behalf of Muslims. You keep forgetting that bit.
The US army has not killed anywhere close to a million people in Iraq. Most of those deaths have been Muslim on muslim violence, and the USA has been trying to put a halt to it from day one, without success.
The "Zionists" would be perfectly happy to leave the palestinians in peace, if the Palestinians would stop shelling afiring rockets at Israel.
It's been my experience that the best way to get hate mail is to quote islamic scripture! Go figure.
If it wasn't the sword that spread Islam, then why were there so many battles? http://calculatedrisk.blogtownhall.com/2008/10/05
Noor: 50 million (or thereabouts)American natives died when Europeans came to the new world, perhaps, but it wasn't because of religious reasons. Most of those who died never saw a European. They died from the numerous European diseases that the colonists brought with them for which the Native Americans had no resistance. Those who died in direct conflict did so not because of religious reasons, but because of a conflict of land rights and culture.
But you seem to conveniently forget the 80 million hindus alone who have died resisting Islamic hegemony in the Indian subcontinent, in the largest Holocaust the world has ever seen, and that was specifically for religious reasons.
Who told us the killing in Iraq was Muslim on Muslim? Every single news outlet in the free world, as well as the thousands of soldiers who have come home, and who write us every day from the battlefields. Come on, we have lost just over 4,000 soldiers there. You're claiming we have a 250:1 kill ratio. We're good, but we're not that good, and bad as the Iraqis are, they're not that crappy.
Take a look at the data on http://www.iraqbodycount.org./ Click on any incident and you will likely as not find "Roadside Bomb", "Suicide Bomber", "Found dead, shot execution style", "Decapitated."
These aren't Americans doing this.
Noor, I checked out the websites you contributed, and I must point out your disingenuity. There's no question that between 800,000 and 1.3 million Iraqis have died since the invasion. But there's simply no way you can attribute most of these to direct US action. Anyone who paid even a modest amount of attention to the would know that most of those fatalities were muslim on muslim.
"Jesus, according to the Bible, taught his followers to slay those who don't follow him." LOL! Please, show me that biblical teaching! From the Bible, please, because I don't accept your quran as a legitimate source.
As to the abuses of the native Americans, I am well aware of everything you speak, having Cherokee blood in my veins myself. But these were not inflicted in the name of Christianity. Europeans did not commit these atrocities while shouting the Glories of God. Do I need to present you with Muslim atrocities commited to the intonation of "Allahu Akhbar?"
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- 1 decade agoFavorite Answer
Because islam is wrong and impossible to defend, at least with anything that makes sense. Why did Muhammad have sex with a child? "Because everyone did then." Well there you go! All prophets of God just followed people instead of following God! That explains it all. Or if you tell a Muslim the truth, that (s)he follows a man, (s)he loses it and says we are stupid. Um, did allah say that Muhammad was the perfect example and to follow him? Yes he did! What the hell are all the hadith for? lol.
To all the Muslims answering. You're only seeing one side of the conversation because that's what Muslims usually allow. Many of these hateful comments come from cowards who don't allow email. That was one of the reasons for putting them out there. You try to silence anyone who disagrees with you. We're not going away, so you should just get used to us and learn to play nice.
It's always fun to wake up, check your email and find a death threat or some freak saying he will rape your children. Why? Because I don't like islam? Too bad. Because I say Muhammad was a criminal? History shows he was and so do islamic texts. Because I say islam is not from God? According to my beliefs, it's not. According to a Muslims beliefs my Bible is corrupt. For some reason Muslims feel they can insult other faiths on a regular basis, but no one is allowed to tell THE TRUTH about islam. I'm going to keep telling the truth.
EDIT: Many Muslims have made many excuses for Muhammad's relationship with Aisha. The point is that none of them work and yours doesn't either. There is also a hadith that says Muhammad watched a baby girl crawling and said he will marry her when she is older. He died before that happened. He had dreams of Aisha being presented to him. It is unnatural and abnormal behavior to think of a child like that, but he did. I've heard the excuse that the desert climate makes girls menstruate sooner and it was typical for older men to marry young girls. There is no excuse that can explain pedophilia.
Muhammad also took a 15 year old Jewish girl:
The apostle had chosen one of their women for himself, Rayhana bint Amr . . . one of the women of . . . Qurayza, and she remained with him until she died, in his power. The apostle had proposed to marry and put a veil on her, but she said: "Nay, leave me in your power, for that will be easier for me and for you." So he left her. She had shown repugnance towards Islam when she was captured and clung to Judaism. (Ibn Ishaq, p. 466).
17 year old:
Ibn Hisham, p. 766
Safiyah was captured in the Khaibar raid and was claimed by the apostle as his share of booty.. She was then seventeen. In the early dawn, the Prophet suspected some movement near the tent . It was Abu Ayyub (apparently the earlier peeping Tom was some one eles) He asked him what he was doing near his tent (Abu Ayyub had not gotten any captured woman in this raid, so apparently he was getting his jollies by checking out action in other tents).He replied: "I was afraid for you with this young lady. You had killed her father, her husband and many of her relatives, and till recently she was an unbeliever. I was really afraid for you on her account and was guarding you" (he didn’t have to keep an eye on them to guard them). The Prophet (either Mo bought the lie or felt pity for the horny man who had put his life on line in the raid yet was without a captured woman and spent the night looking around) prayed for Abu Ayyub al-Ansari.
Those teenagers are not adults and neither is a baby. He had a history of liking much, much, much younger girls.
- mythkiller-zubaLv 61 decade ago
That's a huge question that really asks nothing but seeks to incite hatred for Islam.
You could have used less characters to tell others you hate Muslims.
You are too smart to be asking questions of anyone and you are a dictator by attitude so why should any Muslim want to debate his/her personal belief with you.
Islam is the Quran and the Quran answers all it's critics and there isn't any question that you can ask Quran that is not already answered by Quran.
The Quran cites you as making mischief in the Earth while you claim that you only want to make peace.
You have proved your insolence by your question or your example.
Allah states in Quran that the non-Muslim has no understanding and you are leaning on your own misunderstanding and the Bible calls you a fool for this and the Bible agrees with the Quran.
You are of those who cannot imagine how ignorant a dictator you are when you expect that Muslims are fools to fall under your ignorance.
Muslims will be wasting time trying to debate with you when you have no belief and you do not understand the meaning of belief and you do not know the difference between belief and brain-wash.
My advice to you is that you need to do some serious questioning of yourself and do some real research before you choose to tackle Muslims as if you are another man-God like Jesus.
And you have no idea who Jesus is even if you are Christian and study the Bible for Jesus belongs to a Roman Crucifixion Hoax that started 2000 years of Religious Fraud that the Quran confirms, and the Bible agrees with the Quran 100%.
Amen and Allahuakbarr!
What's your question again?
Source(s): Quran Bible The Age Of Reason - TeresaLv 45 years ago
I think christians and muslims will not join each other .Mus lims although its belief/faith is the same monotheism,becau se there is a slight difference between the two.Muslims do not believe that Jesus/Isa prophet is the son of God and christians do not believe in Muhammad pbuh as the last prophet.Christians will not join atheists too.,because atheists do not believe in God at all.
- Anonymous1 decade ago
Cause most Muslims here are not lecturers or Da'ees. Why is it that when a Muslim has a debate with a Christian the Christians would loose their head. Im talking bout Professional debaters, not from Y/As.
Like for example Ahmed Deedat. When he did debates the Christians used to get angry at him and most of them couldnt answer the Qs from the audience.
Please any smart person would know if they want answers you dont go to Y/As for it. Most of us here are emotional and are still learning. Do you think our scholars, lecturers and da'ees would be in Y/A??? NO!
So go to a man/women who actually studied and went to school to learn Islam.
Also those people must have a reason why they were mad. I dont think that you were only asking innocent religion Qs. I bet you asked it in a mocking way like most people here and then they have a sook about how muslims treat them back. Well NEWS FLASH! Muslims are humans. They are Emotional too.
Shalom: Why do you hate Muslims huh???? Why is it that Muslims are very similar to Christians that you hate us that you will run your mouth like that. I have seen that written tons of times and I know that you didnt rite it, you copied it.
Muslims are the ones that love Jesus (pbuh). We Praise Jesus (pbuh) and his Mother Mary. Buh you know who doesnt?? The Jews! They hate JEsus. I have seen and heard Jews do this and it made angry. I defended a Christian because Jews were slandering Jesus(pbuh). YEt you show ur hate to the Muslims. Funny isnt it???
Source(s): btw I could not stop LMAO at Wolverines email! AAHAHHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHA - How do you think about the answers? You can sign in to vote the answer.
- Anonymous1 decade ago
look people dont have time to argue about something which in the end will remain unchanged and that is that you will have your view and Muslims will have theirs. you want someone to sit and go back and forth with you and there are some who have the patience for it but most of us could care less what you think about Islam because you are entitled to believe what you like just as we are. As far as people having your questions and answers deleted, i believe in freedom of speech and i give people the opportunity to make themselves sound like asses so i never report anything :-) There are some who really seek to understand even if they walk away having to agree to disagree and then there are some who just like negativity and want to suck others up into it and you sound like you belong in this group. so my suggestion would be to not waste your energy hating Islam, which by the way is the fastest growing religion in the world ;-) instead why dont you use that energy to engage in something that will benefit you and this is my final answer (wink)
EDIT: LOL! I was just reading the messages that you recieved :-)
- † Crusader †Lv 41 decade ago
Because simply, Muslims do NOT like being questioned, challenged or proven wrong; no matter what.
'Allah' told Muslims not to ask a lot of questions. Mohammed got angry when asked a lot of questions. So no wonder Muslims follow the same attitude...
"O ye who believe! Ask not questions about things which if made plain to you, may cause you trouble. Some people before you did ask such questions, and on that account lost their faith." (Surah 5:101-102).
"The Holy Prophet himself forbade people to ask questions ...so do not try to probe into such things." (The Meaning of the Qur'an, Maududi, vol. III, pgs. 76-77)
Sahih Bukhari Hadith
Volume 2, No. 555; and Volume 3, no. 591
"The prophet was asked about things which he did not like, and when the questioner insisted, the Prophet got angry. (vol. 1, no. 92) The Prophet got angry and his cheeks or his face became red. (vol. 1, no. 91) "Allah has hated you...[for] asking too many questions."
You're called "Islamophobe" "Racist" "Hater" etc. etc. and other pathetic things when questioning Islam. Why? Because Islam is all about blind belief. You're supposed to have complete "faith" in Islam without questioning your beliefs. You're told to completely SUBMIT to Allah without knowing why.
Edit: Noor:
Oh really? So every question of yours asked to a every Christian (as per your words) have never been answered.
Well see...atleast, even though they were not answered (ASSUMING - they were not answered!), they were not reported nor you didn't recieve threats from Christians wishing your head to be crushed by "angels of punishment"!!
And second, why don't you try ME? I don't recall ever meeting you nor discusing anything with you so you may generalize and say "every Non-muslim" didn't answer your questions. So lets see if any questions related to Christianity ever goes un-answered!!
Yes, when muslims act "wrongly", people start talking about Islam. But WHEN did Christians and Jews kill millions IN THE NAME of their religion? The difference is, Muslims terrorize humanity in the name of Allah; Mohammed...they clearly state they are following the Quran!
But neither did Israeli soldiers claim to be following Torah, nor the US army claim to be following the Bible. You have a habit of mixing politics with religion, its not the first time I see you doing this, and you're not the first muslim neither.
The US army killed millions in Iraq??
Are you even counting the number of Iraqi people dead by the hands of their OWN fellow Muslims? A sunni goes and attacks a shiite parade; a shia goes and bombs sunni gatherings...kidnappers kidnap Iraqi sportsmen, policemen, soldiers, etc. and THEN, someone like you turns around and blames it to the US army.
But I didn't even need to address this - you know why? Because this is politics, and I'm discussing ISLAM! If you try to twist things and bring up political subjects when talking about religion, then you're not fit to debate anything.
I never believed all Muslims are terrorists - I believe Islam is a cult of terror. And if you think things work out the way you do it, I would also start bringing up all the terror activities Muslims commited starting decades ago all in the name of politics and Islam throughout the world - including Saddam's reign of terror.
- 1 decade ago
Rigid fear which drives them into a state of panic. That is why they resort to insults and threats. I have had some nasty emails and if you reply and ask a question about islam the response is always the same:-
Islam is the truth (they then change the subject and say I win - that is bizarre). Then they lie about the result of debates with Deedat and Naik - they do the same thing - change the subject and declare they won. They didn't. Read the debates on www.faithfreedom.org - if they won the debate the site would now be a dawah site as Ali Sina says. None of them have the guts to do it though - always "too busy" to challenge him. Pathetic really. Most are too scared to even read that site.
@Noor - no dear I do not only get my information from faithfreedom.org - unlike a lot of muslims on this board I have read most of your quran thanks. I have the ability to question it unlike a lot of you who just resort to abusive like you are!
Why Mohammed was not a prophet: One who claims to be a messenger of God is expected to live a saintly life. He must not be given to lust, he must not be a sexual pervert, and he must not be a rapist, a highway robber, a war criminal, a mass murderer or an assassin. One who claims to be a messenger of God must have a superior character. He must stand above the vices of the people of his time. Yet Muhammad's life is that of a gangster godfather. He raided merchant caravans, looted innocent people, massacred entire male populations and enslaved the women and children. He raped the women captured in war after killing their husbands and told his followers that it is okay to have sex with their captives and their "right hand possessions" (Quran 33:50) He assassinated those who criticized him and executed them when he came to power and became de facto despot of Arabia. Muhammad was bereft of human compassion. He was an obsessed man with his dreams of grandiosity and could not forgive those who stood in his way. Muhammad was a narcissist like Hitler, Saddam or Stalin. He was astute and knew how to manipulate people, but his emotional intelligence was less evolved than that of a 6-year-old child. He simply could not feel the pain of others. He brutally massacred thousands of innocent people and pillaged their wealth. His ambitions were big and as a narcissist he honestly believed he is entitled to do as he pleased and commit all sorts of crimes and his evil deeds are justified.
- HCLv 61 decade ago
Some of those e-mails are hilarious.
"May the Angels of punishment continually crush your head for insulting the Lord of all the worlds ameen. "
All else aside, yahoo answers is a crappy place to debate religion back and forth.
- stardust.Lv 51 decade ago
Because most Muslims are afraid of losing brainwashing power lol. (every sect and religion and country and culture will give you corrupt answers suiting to their advantage)
Islam speaks for itself and nowadays you can do your own research and find answers to your own questions,as for yahoo answers well it is just a bad place to start.
- Pandai gileLv 51 decade ago
Hmm, from that site, I can see only from the Muslim's side. I wonder what the non-Muslims have written first or have written in reply.
To only judge a situation from one side is not a good way. So please do stop all these propaganda and please be fair.
Honestly, there was this one Christian guy who emailed me saying that Allah is a moon god. I replied that email and said that he was wrong. However, me being someone with manners(ehem ehem) never used any harsh words. But he was the one who says that I am like a dead horse, he says 'may you gain blessings in this world before you rot in hell' and many more.
Maybe I never use any real harsh word cause English isnt my first language. Well, I think some people have different ways of thinking and working.