Does Israel want a one state solution with Palestinians having equal rights at the end or a two state solution?

Most Israelis favor a two-state solution to the conflict. A one-state solution would destroy the rights of both Israeli and Arab societies to self-determination. *

The one-state solution is therefore simply a thinly veiled strategy for destroying the State of Israel and questioning its right to exist. As Sol Stern and Fred Siegel have written in the New York Sun:

The "one state" solution is a euphemism for the destruction of the Jewish state - a trope of the most extreme rejectionist elements within the Palestinian movement and their allies in Syria and Iran. Terrorist groups such as Hamas and Hezbollah want to create an Islamic Republic in place of Israel.

Alan Dershowitz adds:

The one-state solution proposal now being made by Palestinian lawyers and some anti-Israel academics is nothing more than a ploy. It is designed to destroy the Jewish state of Israel and to substitute another Islamic Arab state. Those who advocate the single state solution would never do so with regard to India, the former Yugoslavia, or other previously united states which have now been divided on ethnic or religious grounds.

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On a practical level, a one-state solution is simply unworkable. As Palestinian columnist Ray Hanania writes:

the two-state solution will always be the only option because the premise of "one state" where Christians, Muslims and Jews can live side-by-side and with equality, is fundamentally flawed.

It is a fallacy that can never be achieved not just because Israelis won't support it. The Arab and Islamic World don't practice it. Exactly where do Jews and Christians live in the Islamic World today side-by-side with equality? We don't even live side-by-side with equality in the Palestinian Diaspora.

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The one-state solution is also proposed by those who refer to Israel as an "apartheid" state. Drawing upon this comparison, the example of post-apartheid South Africa is held up as a model for a bi-national Israeli-Palestinian state. However, former anti-apartheid activist Benjamin Pogrund explains in detail, examining issues of economy, religion, third-party intervention, political culture, violence and leadership, why the South African model does not fit the Israeli-Palestinian situation.

* While there are those who advocate a one-state solution as a means to destroy Israel, they are also aided by naive idealists. But, in a world where ethnically mixed states such as Yugoslavia have broken down in bloodshed, and Muslim states such as Saudi Arabia claim Muslim Arab exclusivity, why does the only Jewish state have to be the test case for a far-fetched utopian experiment? Why is Jewish self-determination in a state of their own illegitimate?

A difficult question with an equally difficult answer. A 1 state solution is a none starter as neither side would agree to it Obama is calling for a 2 state but where will these 2 states be situated.? The Gaza Strip would ,at the moment, provide half with the West Bank being the other half joined by a super highway or a long tunnel. The problem here is how are the Israelis going to remove 400,000 odd settlers?The issue about the right to exist is only a minor problem so long as it does not change to the no right to exist. A third option would be to put the whole of the West Bank under COMPLETE control, of the Palestinians including the removal of Israeli troops and police. . With that plan many of the illegal settlers would move out voluntarily. That leaves East and West Jerusalem Not so difficult as the West remains Jewish while the East goes to the Palestinians. This link filmed by CBS news gives a good account why the West Bank will be the major problem

Remember that futurerama episode with the robotts who hate people and go on the search for people to kill yet 99% of the time they never find people. This is like the Palestinian-Israeli issue. The only party who wants a solution seems to be America because they want all parties to shut up so they dont have to police them. Israel doesn't want a Palestinian state. Saying that we want a Palestine who accepts Israel right to exist is like saying I want you to sign a contract that says in 300 years you will give me $10 billion dollars. I would only do it to humiliate you. I'm not going to take sides here, but if Israel recognizes a Palestinian state, Israel loses all its right to police Palestine. So Israel cannot just go into Palestine whenerver it wants to kill terrorist. Further Israel could no longer bloacked the Palestinians and would face a real problem. By UN law, Israel can't just violate Palestinian terriiroty even to stop terrorist, so Israel nw becomes on the wrong side of the law and the terrorist become empowered, and the Americans are put in a bind, honour the law or help a friend. Its so much easier to keep the Palestinian as a non soverign nation that you can control with your strong army. The arab don't want the Palestinian state because then eventually peace iwll come and they can no longer use jews and israelis as the scapegoat of all their problems. It also means they might actually start to absorb more Palestinian refugees. Further it would mean that they would be obligated to actually nation build Palestine rather than just cuss out the Israelis and give the Palestinians bomb making resources. A 1 state solution is a joke. The Jews don't want to be the minority in their own country and already treat arab israleis like apartheid. Palestinians outnumber jews by far, in a 1 state solution, the palestinian diaspora would gladly rush back to israel to retake their land. The 2 state solution is better for peace. Palestine is poorer so they will have a higher birth rate, palestine is like dirt poor and isreali jews are like first world or advanced developing country so their birth rate is low except among some very religiou jews

You assume too much. Regardless of outside pressures Israel is not likely to bend to anyone's will. Israel will not be forced to choose between one non-Jewish state or a two-state solution. So no, Israel will not be forced to give equal rights to Arabs. They WILL NOT BEND on this issue. The Jewish hate Arabs more than Arabs hate the Jews. Once again, Israel is not likely to respond from outside pressures, especially because they don't care about what others think and because they're very isolated as a nation. Really, the Israelis are not likely to budge on anything, and if history is a good indicator of future events, and it is, then Israel will succeed in whatever it chooses to do while wiping out all opposition.

For the past 60 years, Israel had a country, an army to protect it, growing economy, yet, for the past 60 years, they have been "defending" themselves against Palestinians living without a country, without a system, without even an economy you can call "economy", Israel had a chance to let Palestinians establish a country, but that did not happen, what was the result ?, Fatah was established, then hamas was established which btw was funded by israel to counter fatah, now it is its worst enemy.

Any way that should tell you something, Israel does not want a Palestinian country beside it.

To make it more understandable, one strong guy living beside one weak guy, the strong guy usually interfere in the weaker guy house, All the other big guys out there are allied with the strong guy, so the weaker guy asked the big guys for help, they did not help him, after sometime the weak guy started to stand against the stronger guy & every time the strong guy "defend" himself by beating the hell out of the weaker guy and calls him terrorist, the weaker guy stands again, then again, the strong guy beats the hell out of him.

you look to the whole situation then you realize, if the strong guy OR the big guys wanted to have peace or even force peace on the weaker guy, they should have done it long time ago, before he becomes stronger.

As a us intelligence officer said before, Israel is its own worst enemy.

I don't know if you've heard about this, but there was a war and Israel won. As it is right now, Israel graciously lets the enemy dwell in her land, while her guests continually try steal the land of Israel and murder all the Jews living there. Israel would continue let the enemy live there, but there is only so much that they can take and they are getting weary of trying to please everyone. What Israel wants is their slice of the pie and to live and let live. One state or two states, they don't care. Israel wants peace so badly that they have on numerous occasions offered up their very home land in order to make peace. arabs however will accept no compromise. The former leader of the pLO yassir arafat was once offered over 90% of their demands and he refused. Imagine what peace and happiness this would have brought to the non-Jews living in Israel.

If Israel does NOT listen to the UN or the US NOW-just what makes you think they will listen if they are a one state with the Arab population over taking them-without the West Bank and Gaza strips this will occur in 20-25 years-just why do you think they are hemming and hawing at the two state with Jerusalem shared -IT ALREADY EXISTS-when they have killed enough Palestinians, they will annex the West Bank and Gaza strips-THAT IS THEIR GOAL.Here is their peace plan and it does NOT include the Palestinians:

The King David Massacre

The Massacre at Baldat al-Shaikh

YEHIDA MASSACRE

KHISAS MASSACRE

QAZAZA MASSACRE

The Semiramis Hotel Massacre

The Massacre at Dair Yasin

NASER AL-DIN MASSACRE

THE TANTURA MASSACRE

BEIT DARAS MASSACRE

THE DAHMASH MOSQUE MASSACRE

DAWAYMA MASSACRE

HOULA MASSACRE

SHARAFAT MASSACRE

Salha Massacre

The Massacre at Qibya

KAFR QASEM MASSACRE

Khan Yunis Massacre

The Massacre in Gaza City

AL-SAMMOU' MASSACRE

Aitharoun Massacre

Kawnin Massacre

Hanin Massacre

Bint Jbeil Massacre

Abbasieh Massacre

Adloun Massacre

Saida Massacre

Fakhani Massacre

Beirut Massacre Sabra And Shatila Massacre

Jibsheet Massacre

Sohmor Massacre

Seer Al Garbiah

Maaraka Massacres

Zrariah Massacre

Homeen Al-Tahta Massacre

Jibaa Massacre

Yohmor Massacre

Tiri massacre

Al-Naher Al-Bared Massacre

Ain Al-Hillwee Massacre

OYON QARA MASSACRE

Siddiqine Massacre

AL-AQSA MOSQUE MASSACRE

THE IBRAHIMI MOSQUE MASSACRE

THE JABALIA MASSACRE

Aramta Massacre

ERETZ CHECKPOINT MASSACRE

Deir Al-Zahrani Massacre

Nabatiyeh (school bus) Massacre

Mnsuriah Massacre

The Sohmor Second Massacre

Nabatyaih Massacre

Qana Massacre

Trqumia Massacre

Janta Massacre

24 Of June 1999 Massacres

Western Bekaa villages Massacre

Gaza "Cast lead operation" Massacre

"(The Palestinians) would be crushed like grasshoppers ... heads smashed against the boulders and walls."-- Isreali Prime Minister (at the time) Yitzhak Shamir in a speech to Jewish settlers New York Times April 1, 1988

If it wanted this, it would have had it a long time ago.

Israel wants the land but not the people. It wants a 1 state solution with as few arab citizens as possible. It is perfectly happy setting up concentration camps for the 2.5 million in the west bank/gaza.

Israel will be forced to accept a 1-state solution. Israelis, many of whom have lived under threat of terrorism their entire lives, would actually accept a peaceful two-state solution. Too bad that "peaceful" would not satisfy the terrorists. This is the same in many Middle Eastern countries. This is not due to a supposed "Islamic Problem", it is because the governments in most of these ME (Middle Eastern) states are underdeveloped and weak. They cannot control the gangs that control everything. Oil. Weapons. Everything. It's the same in Palestine. Large majorities of the population are controlled by a small group of people who control all of the resources, including the "military". I guess the word for it is oligarchy. This oligarchy doesn't want "freedom from Israel", they want more resources, more land, and therefore more power.

Now suppose one day, Israel and the terrorists suddenly agreed to create a two state solution. A ceasefire. Palestine would be Gaza, the West Bank, East Jerusalem, and some border cities (plus their surrounding farmland). They would both accept the other's borders. Israel would be smaller, and sacrifices would be made. But the oligarchies in Palestine still aren't happy. They want more land. I could show several examples for this. In fact, due to "peace treaties", Israel is only about 18-25% of the former British Mandate. The rest is parts of Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon, and the Palestinian Authority (a semi-state controlled by the previously mentioned oligarchies).

In short, Israel would never accept a two-state solution, or it would face the consequences. In fact, most Israelis would love a tpeaceful two-state solution but frankly, it just isn't possible. Israel will never be able to have its 2-state solution if the Palestinian oligarchies don't accept it. And they don't.

A large, final war in this conflict is inevitable, in my opinion. This is the same in most wars over important resources and lands. Where would the US be today if it allowed the British to control, say, Georgia and South Carolina after the Revolutionary War. In war, only two ends will ever come: either one side is completely obliterated and defeated, or both are.

The 'Palestinians' as a nation of Moslems, were a creation of Egyptian-born Yasser Arafat in 1964, with the main goal of destroying the Jewish people living in the Land of Israel. - still the defined goal of Hamas, today.

In 1923, the British divided the "Palestine" portion of the Ottoman Empire into two administrative districts; Jews would be permitted to settle the 27.8% of the land WEST of the Jordan River creating a Jewish Palestinian National Homeland, whilst 72.2% was allocated to form an Arab Palestinian nation called Trans-Jordan (meaning "across the Jordan River"). This territory EAST of the Jordan River was given to Emir Abdullah (from Hejaz, now Saudi Arabia) who was not even an Arab-"Palestinian!"

Problems arose, because the 'Jordanians' abrogated their responsibilities to the Palestinian Arabs that were living on the Lands - contrary to the agreements that were made with them in 1923.

In 1946, Trans-Jordan was again renamed simply Jordan. In other words, the Eastern 72.2% of what was Palestine was renamed twice, in effect, erasing all connection to the name "Palestine!"

The bottom line is that THE PALESTINIAN ARABS WERE ALLOCATED AN "ARAB PALESTINIAN" HOMELAND, in what is now Jordan. The remaining 27.8% of Palestine (now west of the Jordan River) was to be the "Jewish Palestinian" homeland.

The Palestinians want a 1-State solution - a Palestinian state, in other words, the WHOLE of the land of Israel.

A Saudi Arabia columnist, Mash'al Al-Sudairi, wrote in the daily newspaper Al-Sharq Al-Awsat that Arabs have wasted time and money trying to destroy the Jewish State.

"………. [although the] Jewish occupation of a part of Palestine constitutes great oppression, the Arabs have a history of self-inflicted blows" resulting from opposition to the re-establishment of the Jewish State of Israel.

"When, in the early 1930s, we were offered 80 percent of Palestine, while the Jews were offered 20 percent, we rejected the offer. In the late 1940s, we were offered 49 percent of Palestine, and the Jews 51 percent, and we rejected that offer.

"…… I am positive, and am willing to bet and even to swear by Allah, that if only 10 percent of the money that the Arab countries invested in arming their forces during the futile fighting with Israel had been invested in what was left of Palestine and its people, the West Bank and Gaza would now be enjoying a living standard higher than that of Singapore."

On May 14, 1948 the Palestinian Jews declared their own State of Israel and became "Israelis." The next day, SEVEN neighbouring Arab armies, Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, Iraq and Yemen, invaded Israel. They encouraged most of the Arabs living within the boundaries of the 'newly declared' Israel, to leave, in order to facilitate the slaughter of the Jews -promising that they would be given all Jewish property after the 'victorious Arab armies' won the war.

70% of the Palestinian Arabs who left in 1948 – perhaps 300,000 to 400,000 of them – never even saw an Israeli soldier! They did not flee because they feared Jewish retaliation, but because they determined that while they were gone the Jews would be exterminated, and they would return afterwards to inherit those nice Jewish properties, built with Jewish money from overseas. They guessed wrong; and the Palestinian Arabs are still tortured by the shame of their flight. Their shame is so great because in their eyes running from Jews was like running from women.

The result of the 1948 - 1949 Israeli War of Independence was that the almost-created second Palestinian Arab State was gobbled up by (1) Egypt (occupying the Gaza Strip) and by (2) Trans-Jordan (occupying Judea-Samaria (today termed the "West Bank" of the Jordan River).

During 1950, Trans-Jordan merged the West Bank territory into itself and granted the 'Palestinian Arabs' living there Jordanian citizenship. Since Trans-Jordan was then no longer confined to one side of the Jordan River, it renamed itself simply "Jordan". So, the Arabs of Palestine ended up with nearly 85% of the original territory of Palestine... called Jordan but in reality their Arab "Palestinian state.

The Palestnian Arabs have been given multiple opportunities to create a State - but have rejected it. The reason? They don't want a part of the land, they want the lot.

I don't think anyone wants a one-state solution, if by that you mean one country where Israelis and Palestinians live equally under one democracy.

The Israelis don't want it because of the risk of losing the "Jewish State", and the Palestinians don't want it because they want a "Palestinian State."

The more right-wing among the parties want a one-state solution that totally excludes the other group, which is why Hamas has refused the Two State Solution and many Israelis are angry that it has ever been offered.

When Hamas rejects the Two State Solution, a lot of people assume that the Palestinian popular vote was also against it; this cannot be proven, so I still have an imbued hope that the unaired Palestinian voice does want peace and compromise.

The Israeli government is becoming steadily more fascist and right-wing, which is obviously a dire threat to the peace process from an objective point of view.

Political Zionism - which is what I believe in - is a form of Zionism which supports a land where the Jewish people can't be persecuted; otherwise there is Spiritual Zionism, Relgious Zionism, etc.

Personally, anywhere to have a state would have been fine by me: as long as the Jews have somewhere safe to go.

So they chose Israel, great, but now all these lives have been jeopardises and lost on both sides which really poses the question:

What would have happened if Israel had been placed in one of the other offered regions (Alaska, Ughanda, part of Western Australia, etc)

How many lives would have been saved? How many lives still to come would not be lost? How much hatred would be spared?

Thats not to say I don't love Israel: I do. I just favour life over spirituality.

I think Israel does want a Two State Solution. They wouldn't have offered it if they didn't.

Under what conditions is a whole other story.

If, for example, Israel were to give back all everything beyong the Green Line (pre-1967 borders) or give the land connecting all of these territories, or whatever.

Palestine also has its own set of objectives.

I really hope that they work something out, and stick by it.