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Anonymous asked in SportsBoxing · 1 decade ago

Today, USA has the lowest amount of champions ever in history, what does that say about the sport we created?

Seems that Mexican, Filipino, Puerto Rican, and British boxers are extremely proud of their heritage. When you watch them take the center stage, you can feel the nationalistic fervor and passion in the air. They always commend their countries and specifically always states they are doing this for their country's honor.

Today there are more non-American boxing champs than there are Americans. US has 10 champions, the lowest ever in US boxing history since the creation of 17 weight divisions! What does that say about Americans? Are there any patriotic American boxers who takes pride of his country the same way as other international boxers?

The TOP 10 BOXING POWERHOUSES!

(this is not based on the number of titles but based on boxing success by individual performance or current p4p statusese not marketing)

1. MEXICO. Mexico has an astonishing 11 champions! Mexico is the best boxing country in the world. I have no doubt about that. If we are talking about talent not marketing, Mexico tops the list with 11 current champions. The most popular champions today are guys including JMM, Edgar Sosa, Garcia, De Leon, Vasquez, Solis, Montiel, Rojas, Cristobal Cruz, Humberto Soto. 3 Mexicans alone are in the p4p ranking with JMM, Rafael Marquez, and Vasquez!

2. UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. USA has 10 champions. They also have the most popular, not necessarily the most fans. Can you honestly tell me Mayweather has more fans than Hatton, Klitschko, or Pacquiao in a global scale? But their most popular champions are Mosley, Luevano, Guerrero, Hopkins, Berto, Paul Williams, Spinks, Bradley, and Pavlik.

3. THE PHILIPPINES. A total of 10 champions, beating any country in the world except Mexico and USA. Two of its fighters, Donnaire and Pacquiao are in the P4P ranking. Its current champions (only with credible and recognized titles like IBF, WBO, WBC, WBA, etc.) are Donnie Nietes, Pacquiao, Viloria, Donnaire, Sonsana, Penalosa, Florante Contes, Bernabe Conception, Rexon Flores, an Z Gorres. Plus you have Manny Pacquiao the universally best boxer today p4p.

4. PUERTO RICO. Puerto Rico with 5 champions= Calderon is in the top 20 best fighter in the world today, Cotto is in the top 10. Juan Ma Lopez, Santos and Roman Gonzalez are rising stars. Cotto brings Puerto Rico at 4 eventhough the Isla Bonita only has 5 champions. Cotto being in the top 10 plus considered by many as the real welterweight champion makes every Puerto Rican proud of him.

5. UKRAINE. Ukraine has 7 champions and the top 1 & 2 ranked best heavyweight fighter in the world, Wladimir #1 and Vitali #2. Wladimir Sidorenko, Dzinziruk, Senchenko, the Klistchko brothers Andreas Kotelnik,and Yuriy Nuzhnenko are recognized champions.

6. VENEZUELA. Venezuala has 7 with Valero, Acosta, Urango, Munoz, Cermeno, Maidana and Linares. Valero is a rising star, and has KO everyone he come across.

7. JAPAN. Japan has a total of 6 recognized champions by IBF, WBO, WBC, WBA likeNatio, Hasegawa, Nashiro, Nishioka, Sakata, and Niida. These guys are not only champions but champions with multiple belts.

8. GERMANY. Germany has 5 champions. The only one known is Feliz Sturm and he has overshadowed other German champions like Zbik, Stieglitz, Braehmer, and Huck.

9. THAILAND Thailand has 4 recognized champions in Oleydong Sithsamerchai, Pongsaklek Wonjongkam, Denkaosan Kaovichit, and Poonsawat Kratingdaenggym.

10. PANAMA. Panama has 4 champions, Guillermo Jones, Moreno, Conception, and one of my favorite fighters today, Celestino Caballero.

Very close to make it and deserves credit:

United Kingdom, 3 champions in Froch, Khan, and Arthur.

Argentina has 4, with Narvaez, Martinez, Reveco, and Maidana.

By the way Russia only has one recognized champion by the WBC, IBF, Ring, WBO, or WBA. Valuev is the champion, the Klitschko brothers are not Russians!

Update:

@ blogbaba, I expected for someone to point an accurate historical description of boxing's nativity and orgins. Thank you for pointing that out. But let me rephrase, I actually meant a sport that we created to expand and globalized. I am an American citizen raised here, I feel very passionate about the moral, ethical, cultural, and political bearings of this nation. :-)

Update 2:

@ blogbaba and Dave, I would like both of you to respond.. Thank you. :-)

Update 3:

@ Dave, boxing's origins can be traced as far as the early Mesopotamian era. I meant no offense nor I have intentions to discredit many ancient civilizations or nations for popularing boxing. Consequently, boxing's era of global popularity was created after the de-colonization process and the rise of U.S capitalism that made it the most powerful economic giant in the world. With the transformation of U.S becoming a global superpower, the best boxers early on were Americans, and their legacies helped shape the engenderment of boxing's popularity worldwide.

Update 4:

Thumbs up to all of you so far. :-)

Update 5:

Thank you Dave for your excellent response!

Update 6:

@ Daryl Dante, I am not saying US discovered the sport of boxing. If you clearly read what I sad word by word, I am saying US expanded its popularity not discovered it. The Greeks by the way did not invent boxing nor the british popularized it in a massive scale like the way the United States did with its early boxers in the decolonization process. Boxing has existed in mespotamian civilization and Egypt thousands of years before the Greeks adopted it. I am not talking about any historical aspects of who discovered who, I am asking what does that say about the U.S who has the lowest champions in history now despite of the fact the U.S POPULARIZE BOXING IN A MASSIVE GLOBAL SCALE? That is what I meant my friend!

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  • Anonymous
    1 decade ago
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    I wouldn't read too much into it. The concept of a "champion" nowadays is so weak that it would be wrong to use it as the measuring stick to gage a certain country's achievement or significance. Today, almost anyone can be a champion - connections, appeal, popularity and marketability can get pretty much anyone a title shot in an easy(ish) fight. You no longer have to be the best in your given field to sport the moniker "champion" in boxing.

    The only thing that matters is that America is still a boxing powerhouse. There are still many great American fighters. Just because there may not be as many as in the past it doesn't mean that American boxing is in a bad state. With the decreased interest and popularity of the sport in America such results are to be expected.

    Boxing is becoming more and more international and it is only logical that more "champs" come from outside the US boarders, and will continue to do so.

    World boxing needs the American stage for it to prosper, I will only start to worry when boxing no longer has a place in American society as it will have a negative knock-on effect for the sport internationally. Thankfully that will never happen.

    Boxing is international, it's healthy for the sport that there is no longer one superpower dominating it.

    By the way, boxing has unknown (possibly Greek) origins and was modernized and refined in England, it's not an American sport. That was bothering me a bit!

    **Edit**

    Jon - thats a pretty fair assessment. I wasn't offended by your question nor was I trying to pounce on any mistakes or make any corrections, I was mearly stating a fact (or what is commonly agreed upon as fact, at least). I agree that America is where boxing prospered and gained the popularity it enjoys today and I find your use of the term "we" (refering to the US) appropiate and acceptable for this reason. I chose to specify it's accepted origins to expand the knowledge of anybody unaware of it and was more of a little bit of triva than a challenge to your point. Prizefighting (boxing) as a common and popular form of entertainment was widespread in England before it was imported to the US, and the fact that the first international bout (England vs US) was fought in England demonstrates that England was the original "home" of boxing, no matter now breif, before it generated huge popularity and "moved" to America.

  • Anonymous
    1 decade ago

    First of all, Jon meant boxing expanded because of U.S created its expansion not necessary founded or discovered the sport. Get it? Blogbaba, the British didnt invent boxing, it has been a sport in ancient Eygypt, Iraq,, Iran, even way before there were any civilizations in Europe. Please be fair and accurate if you want to make corrections.

    There is a reason why the best fighters in the history of boxing fights and make claims of greatness here in the United States of America, not in Britain or Europe.

    Anyways, as an American, it means nothing to me. In fat its even better that boxing is now more international so Americans can share this sport that they popularize to the world. I like to see international athletes make it to the U.S. I have nothing against anyone regardless in where they came from. if they are great athletes, I dont mind them fighting over here in the U.S!

  • Anonymous
    1 decade ago

    USA did not create the sport of boxing. The origins being obviously in Greece was picked up by the English. The begining of the sport out of a gladitorial arena was created in England. The modern concept of boxing was founded in England.

  • 1 decade ago

    USA only had Arreaola as a heavyweight contender. But after that loss i don't know what else is going to happen to heavyweight division in the UNited States!

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  • Anonymous
    1 decade ago

    If by "we" you mean the British and the Marques of Queensbury who created "boxing" as we know it, than yeah there just aren't that many British champs around. The U.S.A. didn't "create" boxing, it just created the environment that allowed boxers to make millions of dollars.

  • Caput
    Lv 4
    1 decade ago

    mma is the dominant fighting sport in the usa at the moment. its fun to watch sometimes unless they're grappeling... for the entire match.

  • Anonymous
    1 decade ago

    maybe that we've helped expand the sport to other countries, just like basketball.

  • 1 decade ago

    It's not that surprising that there aren't many U.S. champions. The rise of MMA has swayed many athletes away from boxing and into MMA.

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