Can you really "compete" with a program that sets rates and cannot go out of business?

No you can't! But then the dems only want a single payer system!

Your analogy would have been better if were in an enclosed area. Lions and gazelles in an enclosed area, lions win all the time. Gazells may last a while but eventually, good bye.

The USPS analogy is simply an awful example. The USPS has a MONOPOLY in mail delivery. UPS and Fed Ex compete with (and demolish) the USPS in package delivery. It is illegal for UPS and FedEx to deliver "mail" to you mailbox.

The simple fact that insurance companies MUST make a profit (or at the very least break even) makes them better providers to the greater public. Is there room for improvement? Certainly. Can and should something be done to help people who have chronic ailments, certainly. Does it need to be a complete re-structuring of the health care system? NO.

Someone mentioned the 2 tier system in europe (public insurance with better care for those who bought extra private insurance). Isn't that basically what we have here now? Yes, it is but the "public" pieces have so distorted the private that is has become what it currently is.

There has been combined care in Europe for many years with no problems, and the private companies are doing just fine with set govt rates to compete against.

There will always be people who don't mind getting better insurance for a little more.

A govt program that loses too much money will be an albatross around the parties neck and a political liabilities - the charges will be fair for govt option, and they will find ways to save money to accomplish that.

If conservatives would just stop lying about it.

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Obamacare will take over all heatlhcare and private insurance companies will go out o business.

They are going to take money out of your paycheck, whether you have obamacare or not. Your employer will be paying into this, so why will he/she want to provide heatlh insurance to it's employees.

If for some reason, the govt. healthcare doesn't think you need a procedure, they'll deny you. You won't be able to complain.

It will be like going to the DMV for healthcare. Long lines, bad service and bad attitude.

First answer says it all.

Yes, you can compete if you want to. If you want to collect premiums then deny care and exclude people in order to increase your profits 400% in less than ten years, then the answer is no. Too bad, so sad.

UPS, FedEx, private security services

Excellent analogy -

The fast, efficient gazelles get away and survive.

Its only those who don't have the skills required in the market of survival who don't.

Why should I care about companies who don't have the skills of survival. They should be caught by the lion.

A public option not only lowers the cost of healthcare, it also gives healthcare to everyone. That accomplishes the two main goals right?

It's like saying Pepsi gives Coca-Cola competition if Coca-Cola was nationalized, everyone had to pay extra taxes and we all got given a can of coke a day.

Oh, then you agree. The insurance companies are only for making a profit and not the welfare of the public.

Nice to see you on board.