Christians: What role does the Father play in the trinity? Who is the Father in the trinity?

If the Trinity teaching is true, then I am in serious trouble.

The Bible would just be a multitude of contradictions.

I do understand this concept correctly?

Father = Son = Holy Ghost = all separate beings, all are god, all are equal in in everything, but they are only one God?

The Athenian Creed, one of the earliest complete statements of the Trinity, explains it this way:

“The Godhead of the Father, of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost is all one: the glory equal, the majesty co eternal. . . . the Father is almighty, the Son almighty, and the Holy Ghost almighty. . . . So the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Ghost is God. And yet there are not three Gods, but one God. . . . In this Trinity none is afore or after other; none is greater or less than another. But the whole three persons are co-eternal together, and coequal.”

So according to the Trinity doctrine, the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost are coequal in power, authority and eternity. But the critical question is this: Did Jesus Christ and his apostles believe and teach the Trinity? If we believe that they did, we are faced with a number of very puzzling questions.

We know that God always was, Is, and Always will BE!

So He is immortal ie. He cannot die or be killed?

Then Jesus could not be God or equal to God because he DIED! Or is the bible just a book of lies?

Yet Jesus Himself stated: “The Father is greater than I am.”—JOHN 14:28.

Irenaeus (c. 130-200 C.E.): “We may learn through Him [Christ] that the Father is above all things. For ‘the Father,’ says He, ‘is greater than I.’ The Father, therefore, has been declared by our Lord to excel with respect to knowledge.”—Against Heresies, Book II, chapter 28.8.

Clement of Alexandria (c. 150-215 C.E.): “To know the eternal God, the giver of what is eternal, and by knowledge and comprehension to possess God, who is first, and highest, and one, and good. . . . He then who would live the true life is enjoined first to know Him ‘whom no one knows, except the Son reveal (Him).’ (Matt. 11:27) Next is to be learned the greatness of the Saviour after Him.”—Who Is the Rich Man That Shall Be Saved? VII, VIII.

“One God and Father of all persons, who is over all and through all and in all.”—EPHESIANS 4:6.

Irenaeus: “And thus one God the Father is declared, who is above all, and through all, and in all. The Father is indeed above all, and He is the Head of Christ.”—Against Heresies, Book V, chapter 18.2.

At Mark 13:32, Jesus Christ said: “But of that day or that hour [of God’s coming execution of judgment] no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.” (See the box, “Why Are They Missing?” on page 7.) But if the Father and the Son are coequal, how could the Son be ignorant of things the Father knows? ‘Jesus had two natures,’ some will answer. ‘Here he is speaking as a man.’ And, yet, even if that were so, what about the “Holy Ghost”? If it is the third person of the Trinity, why does it not know? A chain is only as strong as its weakest link. And the “Holy Ghost” is part of the Trinitarian chain.

I think that any one who states that Jesus is equal to the Father, Jehovah, is telling us that Jesus is a liar.

I cannot accept this.

The Father is without beginning and without end.

Is the Son more important than the Father? Without the Father there would not be no son. That should be answer enough.

As far as the trinity doctrine is concerned, it is merely a doctrine of men. The sad part is most of christendom believes in it. Yet, that does not mean it is true.

There is far more scriptures that debunk the trinity doctrine then support it.

The problem today is most do not know why it is not robbery to call the Son God. It is because of lack of understanding by being indoctrinated into believing the trinity doctrine and ignoring what the Word of God teaches.

So the question is this, is Jesus God? The answer is most certainly yes. Yet, the next question which is directly proportionate to understanding is what makes Jesus God? When a person finds this understanding which comes by way of the Holy Spirit, he will see things as they are, not as men want them to be.

My understanding of the Trinity is that no, they are not all one but all 3 are one in the same position or meaning.

God, The Father is the highest and everything and everyone was created by Him and humans in His own image.

Jesus Christ, The Son sits at the right hand of The Father and after his death and Resurrection what we have left behind is The Holy Spirit which lives in us all that have faith and knows that Christ will return one day for us to seek repentance or better yet start now and be ready for His coming which doesn't mean just what we learn but also that we tell others who God is so that they may have a chance to know God through Christ and His Word in the Bible.

Faith is a life long journey as we learn more as we study the Bible. That is when we truly start to know the fruit of the Bible and I don't feel as if I'm all the way there as I have much work to do and so much learning to do but I know God's Word is true and good for all.

According to the trinity, they are one and the same.

If a=b then "a" would have all the same properties as "b". This is why the trinity is seen to be illogical since god is supposed to be the father, and jesus his son. There are other examples which state that jesus is at the right hand of the father and they also don't mesh with the idea of a trinity which says that jesus is god.

Trinity---not just a title...god, jesus and holy ghost are considered to be one by the accepted definition--not by me. That is the definition of the 'trinity' as determined at the Niceane Council. But we do not have to accept their definition. I just want people to be clear as to what they really mean.

I cite a small passage from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trinity:

"The Trinitarian view has been affirmed as an article of faith by the Nicene (325/381) and Athanasian creeds (circa 500), which attempted to standardize belief in the face of disagreements on the subject. These creeds were formulated and ratified by the Church of the third and fourth centuries in reaction to heterodox theologies concerning the Trinity and/or Christ. The Nicene-Constantinopolitan Creed, revised in 381 by the second of these councils, is professed by the Eastern Orthodox Church and, with one addition (Filioque clause), the Roman Catholic Church, and has been retained in some form in the Anglican Communion and most Protestant denominations.

I believe that the trinity position is not a strong position to hold. In books that were recognized as valid, such a "Barnabas"--Jesus himself claims that he is not god and anybody that says that he is is a liar. That is why they rejected "Barnabas".

CHRISTIANS CAN'T HAVE IT BOTH WAYS. THEY CAN'T SAY IT IS TRUE IF IT AGREES WITH THEIR INTERPRETATION AND THEN "SYMBOLIC" WHEN IT DOESN'T.

Assume that when Jesus said "Father, father why has thou forsaken me?" while he was on the cross, is also a rhetorical question. Then it would follow that Jesus the son is asking a rhetorical question of his Father, who is really just himself, so Jesus is asking himself a rhetorical question. That would make him neurotic. I would like to know who is qualified to judge whether a question asked over 1000 years ago is rhetorical or not.

In similar fashion when there is something in the Bible that disagrees with what they want it to mean, they say it's rhetorical or symbolic. Here is why Christians have trouble with such explanations--then everything could be called into question and said to be merely symbolic or

rhetorical.

For example, when Jesus says, "Me and the Father are one", perhaps this is also rhetorical. The majority of Christians interprets this to mean Jesus is God. However, it makes more logical sense that Jesus is saying that his philosophy is the same as that of God. For instance if I say "Me and my grandmother are as one" It means that me and my grandmother share similar beliefs as a result of her teachings.

The view that "One God has three parts" is not the trinity view as I have shown above! A person has two hands. That person's hands are not equal to that person. That person and his two hands do not equal each other.

Therefore, according to the trinity, they are one and the same.

Hi Helene.Yes i find the Holy Spirit bit something of a mystery.The father being God and the Son being Jesus.Thats fine.Im alright with that.But the Holy Spirit part eludes me a little.My only understanding of it is that its some kind of feeling or protection of the other two.Or something that bonds the other two together and bridges our connection with them..Take it easy . J.

Simple, there is no trinity except as a false teaching, it's not a Biblical one. God told the Israelites that he was ONE God, Jehovah and there no others beside him. As it says in Psalms 83:18: "That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth." KJV

Jesus also said his Father was his God, not that he was his Father. Jesus was created which his Father wasn't, he had no beginning nor end. He is call the first born of all creation at Colossians 1:15 KJV: "(Jesus) Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature." An image is not the actual person, but a reflection of that person, just as yours is in mirror. And truly Christ did and does reflect all the qualities of his Father and God, Jehovah.

Revelation 1:1, 2, 4 KJV: "The Revelation of Jesus Christ, WHICH GOD GAVE UNTO HIM, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John: Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw... : And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood."

The only Father in the trinity is Satan , the Father of all lies.

If you mean the one & only true God , the Father , he has nothing to do with the lie of the trinity nor does his only begotten son Jesus .

i'm not a christian, but i'd like to response. most christians (i'm not saying all) believe jesus as god, which is not true, because in the bible, jesus isn't described as being god at all. instead of praying directly to the father who created the so-called the son, they pray to this son though they know the son was created by the father who should be mightier than the son. the issue is, why the son? not the father? if the father created the son, shouldn't that make the father as the almighty, which is much much mightier than the son?

God plays no role in the pagan trinity.

John 5:43 (King James Version)

I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.( In the second part of the verse Jesus tells us that He came in His own name).

John 14:10 (King James Version)

Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

Here He says that the Father dwells in Him, not that he is a second part of God as in the pagan trinity. There is One God, and that God dwelled in Jesus, and ran the universe and heaven at the same time.

The trinity doctrine is pagan and has no place in Christianity. However by calling Jesus God, we mean that the One True God dwelt in flesh, and lived among men, simultaneously while still being on the throne in heaven. Lets not limit God to our carnal thinking and forget that God is omniscient. With God, all things are possible.

A=Apostolic

B=Believer

I=In

O=One

G=God

JESUS

Nobody understands the Trinity. We only know that there is a oneness about God and a threeness about Him.