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If Allah gave us what we deserved, would the entire world be destroyed?
Q.16:61. If Allah were to punish men for their wrong-doing, He would not leave, on the (earth), a single living creature: but He gives them respite for a stated Term: When their Term expires, they would not be able to delay (the punishment) for a single hour, just as they would not be able to anticipate it (for a single hour).
Q.35:45. If Allah were to punish men according to what they deserve. He would not leave on the back of the (earth) a single living creature: but He gives them respite for a stated Term: when their Term expires, verily Allah has in His sight all His Servants.
1) If Allah gave us what we deserved...we would all be destroyed.
2) How does this mesh with fitrah?
3) If everyone and everything deserves to be destroyed...How are we also born innocent?
4) It says we have respite till the apppointed time.. then we ALL will be punished?
5) If we deserve death, wouldn't destruction be the punishment?
6) Isn't this ayah saying we are ALL sinners and if judged by a righteous judge we inherit death?
This is the Gospel of Jesus Christ....the good news that God in his righteousness and mercy has provided the only answer...which is the atonement of Jesus Christ.
If these ayats are correct, it would seem we need the atonement.
Un D, Allow me to simplify... If Allah were to give us what we deserved then there would not be one left alive on the earth.
Now how do you suppose that is true if everyone is born without sin?
It says none would be left alive... and it also says after this time of respite we will be punished, which only makes sense if we are to believe Allah is righteous surely we would get what he says we deserve.
Ruchjadt, if we are born innocent how come Allah says here we all deserve to die? None would be left alive if Allah were to judge the unrighteous? If we are born innocent then this ayah is wrong or Allah is evil for saying we desreve to be destroyed even though we are without sin.
singlerooky1, my question does not pertain to the Bible these are ayahs from the Quran, my question is directed to Muslims in the Ramadan section.
Sorry guys but you are not understanding this ayah, it says they will be punished and the "they" are all of us who would have otherwise been destroyed, which means killed if we were to get what we deserved now.. yet we have a respite and then we will be punished... like it or not that is what the ayah says.
Majeed,. your Allah misleads people so he can burn them in eternal hell?
Thankfully, the real God loves us all.
Did you ever think, perhaps the greatest of deceivers in the Bible is also the greatest of deceivers in the Quran?
Maybe that is the hidden messege in your Quran and you are the one Allah speaks of that I can not share the truth with because Allah of the Quran thinks himself wise in his deceit.
I agree Satan is the greatest of deceivers but God has defeated him through Jesus Christ and the answer is provded for you through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Thanks Mohammad, So you agree if Allah gave us what we deservered we would all be destroyed.
Again, how does this fit with fitrah, if mankind is born perfect and righteous and good... why would we all deserve to be destroyed? Seems Muhammad had a momentary clear thought and demonstrated our need for a Savior.
Un D, According to Yusafali.
35:45. If Allah were to punish men according to what they DESERVE. He would not leave on the back of the (earth) a single living creature: but HE GIVES THEM RESPITE FOR A STATED TERM: WHEN THAT TERM EXPIRES, verily Allah has in His sight all His Servants.
Q.16:61. If Allah were to punish men for their wrong-doing, He would not leave, on the (earth), a single living creature: but He gives them respite for a stated Term: When their Term expires,
THEY WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO DELAY (THE PUNISHMENT) for a single hour, just as they would not be able to anticipate it (for a single hour).
Yes indeed it states if we were to get what we DESERVED we would all perish and after the respite WE WILL BE PUNISHED.
Now please explain how everyone including babies have earned distruction and are born without sin.
If the Quran is correct ALL of us must be sinners because ALL of us are worthy of death and ALL of us will be punished.
Now tell me the answer to this problem?
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- majeed3245Lv 71 decade agoFavorite Answer
Allah also says in Quran that He guides believers with the Ayahs of Quran and he misguides unbelievers with the same Ayahs.
Allah twists minds of People like you, so they always take wrong meanings of Ayahs. Whom Allah misguides we Muslims can not guide them also. So you are to wander in the darkness of ignorance for rest of your life and keep believing in false religion that you are following now. On the day of judgment when you will be resurrected, Angeles will be pushing you along with people of your beliefs towards hell and then you will pull your hair and what is going on. Then Angeles will say, you read Quran but you always thought it is false book and you continued believing in false religions. So now have your punishment in hell fire.
- 1 decade ago
Verse 16:61 explanation according to Tanwir al-Miqbas min Tafsir Ibn Abbas, translated by Mokrane Guezzou ...
(If Allah were to take mankind to task for their wrong-doing) THEIR IDOLTARY, (he would not leave hereon) on the face of the earth (a living creature) a jinn or human being, (but He reprieveth them to an appointed term) He reprieves them to the time of their destruction, (and when their term cometh) when the time of their destruction comes (they cannot put (it) off an hour nor (yet) advance (it)) nor can they be destroyed before their appointed term.
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Translated from Surah Maryam:
(19:88) And they say, "The Most Merciful has taken [for Himself] a son."
(19:89) You have done an atrocious thing.
(19:90) The heavens almost rupture therefrom and the earth splits open and the mountains collapse in devastation
(19:91) That they attribute to the Most Merciful a son.
(19:92) And it is not appropriate for the Most Merciful that He should take a son.
(19:93) There is no one in the heavens and earth but that he comes to the Most Merciful as a servant.
(19:94) He has enumerated them and counted them a [full] counting.
(19:95) And all of them are coming to Him on the Day of Resurrection alone.
Source(s): Allah knows best, May Allah guide us all - 1 decade ago
The important word in these ayats is "If".
If Allah were real and if Allah were the Almighty and the All Knowing, wouldn't Allah have known how to resolve the conflicts on Earth?
Sorry for bringing down the Bible as well, but, the Torah, aka Old Testament also is similar to the Koran and all 3 of the Desert Messianic Religions do not make any sense at all, insofar as the role of their God is concerned.
If Allah were truly the Almighty and All Knowing, then, would he not have known that Iblis/Shaitan/Satan would not bow to his inferior - Adam? Then, why would he [Allah] ask such a stupid thing of him [Iblis]?
How can all of you "believe" a God was capable of merely saying "Let there be Light, and there was Light" and be incapable of saying "Let there be Faith and Peace." and there wasn't? The tenet of Free Will of the Christians might be marginally better in that it acknowledges that even God could goof up; but, it would then undermine the All Knowing part.
Imagine someone who is Almighty needing Messengers and Prophets to tell people of His Message!? He could Create the whole World, but, is incapable of speaking for Himself to His people? How does this make any sense?
However, to be specific to Allah of the Qur'an, the first problem that I have with Allah is that he says he is al Qawi, the Almighty and the Omnipotent. And then, he says that he created all the humans and the jinn solely for the purpose of worshiping him.
Now, the question is - "Why does the Almighty Allah need the prayers of the men and the jinns?"
Then, the next problem I have with Allah is that he claims to be al Alim, Omniscient and All Knowing. Then he says that the Christians and Jews have corrupted their Books and been mislead. How come he didn't know that this was happening when it did and why couldn't he do anything about it? Then, they say that it was Iblis/Shaytan/Satan who led them astray. Without Allah knowing this? And Allah couldn't do anything about it? Then, is Iblis more powerful than Allah and more Knowledgeable? Because he [Iblis] was able to kick Allah's butt with this !?!?
Is Allah so Impotent and Unknowing of how to handle his own problems that he needed Mohammad to pass on his Message?
What happened to "he but needs to say it and it is"?
Also, another problem that I have with Allah is that he is al Mani, the Preventer of Harm; but, he's also, in the very next name [number 91], ad Darr, the Creator of The Harmful; and, again, in the very next name after that, he is an Nafi, the Creator of Good !?!?
Is Creating the Harmful also Creating Good?
How is he al Barr, the Doer of Good and al Walí, the Protecting Friend; when he is also ad Darr, the Creator of The Harmful?
Finally, he is al Mubdi, the Originator, al Muhyi, the Giver of Life, al Mumit, the Taker of Life ... then, why does he need a Prophet to do the killing for him?
Perhaps some Wise True Believer can explain these contradictions to you; because I cannot.
Source(s): refer al asmaul husna - Anonymous5 years ago
I am late for the answer. The verse u quoted is clear. You see majority of people living in this world disobey Allah Almighty but it is His mercy that He does not catch them instantly but gives them time to repent. He is a rightous God and would always do the right.
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- Anonymous1 decade ago
I keep hearing, God is love, not hate. He loves all. So if in the New test. the wages of sin is death, or another words we kill ourselves, God doesnt kill us we kill ourselves. Look at Mark 7
Mar 7:21 For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,
Mar 7:22 Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness:
Mar 7:23 All these evil things come from within, and defile the man
See we kill ourselves, God is not a killer. He loves everyone. That is the gospel, the old test. people didnt have or most didnt have the HolySpirit, thats the power over our flesh, and the wages of sin is death.So now when we sin we have a savior who took the penalty of sin.
Source(s): www.youtube.com william hinn-christ in you - RuchjatLv 71 decade ago
Assalamu alaikum (1) Based on the Qur'an 16:61 and 35:45 Allah will delay the punishment of all persons who made cruelty or destruction on this earth on the day of judgement after qiyyamah (Allah destroyed this universe) We could not avoid or delay it for a single second when the time has come in line with Allah's willingness If they should be punished on this earth ,there will be no single creature will alive.
(2)This mesh is in line with fitrah of each person Most people naturally would not like to be regulated so they disliked to comply to all laws and regulations made by Allah as stated in the Qur'an and hadith,because they want freedom (3)We were born innocent but after grown up all of us made many mistakes or wrong doings although Allah has given the warnings and shown its consequences Everyone and everything deserves to be destroyed. (4) Most of us will be punished in the hell temporary or permanently as stated in the hadith only a few of us will enter heaven directly such as pious muslims and martyrs (shahid persons) (5)We all alive creatures deserve death before qiyya mah and they in last generation who live near qiyyamah will die immediately in the same time They who made destruction will be judged and punished fairly on the day of judgement after resurrection day and (6)Yes certainly in line with those ayah saying that we are all sinners and we will be judged and punished fairly by Allah. Muhammad pbuh said that after he passed away all muslims will be divided into 73 sects and only one sect will enter heaven or jannah after their sins had been forgiven by Allah..Those ayats are correct and we need Allah's forgiveness and the safaat (help) of Muham
mad pbuh.Muhammad pbuh will help us if we during our lives love him and always make dua to Allah and send salawat and salam for him..
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- I'm BlessedLv 61 decade ago
death is different from destruction...destruction is to no longer exist. If you die and are punished with the hell fire you are not destroyed but simply punished....Their respite is in the grave until judgment but even their respite may have some discomforts...Their is no need for one to intercede in our behalf since we will be judged by our actions. We are born innocent but the corruption of the world around us is a cause of all to enter into acts of sin be it a very small thing such as a false look or a murder. Because Allah is merciful he allows us to be judged individually based on our own individual actions...
- .Lv 51 decade ago
1) If Allah gave us what we deserved...we would all be destroyed.
2) How does this mesh with fitrah?
3) If everyone and everything deserves to be destroyed...How are we also born innocent?
If you read on to verse 16:63 you'll get your answer.
4) It says we have respite till the apppointed time.. then we ALL will be punished?
No. It says when the Time arrives, God is All-seeing of His Servants (which doesn't imply that they will all get punished, rather that each will be accountable for their actions, intentions and deeds, whereas on earth good is not always rewarded directly and evil isn't always punished directly.
5) If we deserve death, wouldn't destruction be the punishment?
We all die. Death isn't (just) a punishment. It can be a trial/test for certain people (when their loved one die), it can be a reward and blessing (when someone dies close to God, happy and satisfied have done what they can on earth, etc.), it can be punishment (Sodom and Gomorrah) , it can be a warning or any number of things.
6) Isn't this ayah saying we are ALL sinners and if judged by a righteous judge we inherit death?
Haha I liked how you tried to throw "inherit" in there. Are you suggesting that death is our punishment for the 'original sin'? There's no inherited sin in Islam. Adam and eve themselves were not killed for their sin. To believe that is to overlook one of the core foundations of Islamic belief which is the belief in the Day of Judgement. It implies that this life is the basis of life and the afterlife is only there as a punishment for it.
As for Jesus (pbuh), he was actually mentioned right there in 16:63
"By Allah, We verily sent messengers unto the nations before thee, but the devil made their deeds fairseeming unto them. So he is their patron this day, and theirs will be a painful doom."
You can't derive arguments from single separate verses of the Quran. It's to be taken in its entirety. There is punishment, but there is also 'rahma', i.e god's mercy which does not conform to any rules. It is ultimately up to Him who He chooses to forgive regardless of their sins. No human bears the burden of another's' sin. There's no need to try and twist around verses to suit personal interpretations when there are clear ones against the conclusion you're trying to reach. A perfect example is that if we were to reach a conclusion from verse 107:5 then nobody would pray.
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It's not what they 'deserve' it's 'what they have earned' كسبوا (35:45) http://translate.google.com/# and their injustice ظلمهم (16:61). It is something that they acquire/have acquired/earned not something that they do by default or that is naturally built into their nature or 'inherited'.
And it doesn't say that after this time of respite we will be punished, it says after that time people will be judged according to their deeds. The word 'punish' though it is implied when talking of peoples' injustice is not actually there in the verse, the actual term used is "taken" or to be held accountable which isn't limited to punishment.
Like I said death isn't necessarily a punishment. It's also a return to Our Lord. The prophets died, and I doubt that was a punishment. The reward and punishment comes after death. If each individual were to be judged according to their actions they would either be in heaven or hell and nobody and nothing would be on earth, because that is not where judgement takes place. There's absolutely no indication of being sinful by nature, on the contrary our natural inclination is pure.
- AbakeLiteLv 41 decade ago
Part of your question is very interesting. If Allah gives whatever I want or think, then there will be danger. As if I make a single mistake in my thought, say thinking something bad just for testing, and what happens? If Allah filters the bad thought, then Allah is doing good and not giving me what I want. What is usually done by Allah.