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Is the BNP / marmite-gate scandal a well-deserved blow for democracy?
Background
The BNP took offence at the Marmite Love / Hate Party, which allegedly was an attack on the BNP. They said that the Hate Party's leader "Steve Heaving" resembled Griffin.
Having watched it, I think the advert is parodying party political broadcasts in general and not targetting anyone specific. The only reference to nationalism (apart from putting all Marmite Eaters in Guernsey) is the bulldog flag behind Mr Heaving. He also looks nothing like Nick Griffin.
Instead of turning the other cheek at any perceived slant, the BNP responded with a youtube broadcast with a jar of marmite displayed prominently. Quite rightly, Unilever sued the pants of them and the sad fiasco has cost them around £100,000. After losing a similar amount in lost deposits after the elections - they now face financial ruin.
Does this only show up the BNP to be very sad / arrogant / paranoid / totally devoid of humour and completely inept? What do you think?
Personally, I would rather their racism was defeated politically, by a mass movement of ordinary people demanding a working class party that would act in the interests of all those who are facing cuts at the hands of the Con-Dem coalition. But if the BNP have to be smashed by Unilever, then I don't care. I just hope that they crawl back into the sad, far-right oblivion of the National Front, where they came from and keep their sad, misguided, bigoted views to themselves.
Do you agree? Are any BNP sympathisers on here going to defend this fiasco?
See a few videos here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OH3CaTtYyBU&feature...
16 Answers
- 1 decade agoFavorite Answer
To be sung to the tune of Postman Pat;
Nasty Nick, Nasty Nick – your right-wing views, they make us sick
Inciting racial hatred
Your ego’s so inflated
I’d like to poke your one remaining eye
The BNP, BNP – your racial slurs just aren’t for me
You hate Asians, gays or Belgians
You say there’s no black Welshmen
Pit workers in Glamorgan don’t agree
Everybody knows you wear your sister’s clothes
All protestors smile as they wait to egg you
Lately, you can never be sure if there’s knocks… rings… skinheads at your door
National Front, National Front – it won’t be hard to make this scan
The Muslims, Sikhs and Hindus
Will never share in your views
And I’ve heard the Jews are not your biggest fans
Nazi Nick, Nazi Nick – on ‘Question Time’ you weren’t so slick
You claimed they were a ‘lynch mob’
But the crap that came from your gob
Just proved you are a total chuffing… wazzock
- Princess PsychoLv 61 decade ago
They usually do, the problem is that the BNPS are racist and Marmite is vile, having read a BNP forum their sad, arrogant, paranoid and totally devoid of humour comments are evident. Still it is a worrying thing when Boris Johnson becomes the champion of democracy. The thing is Nick Griffin became a MEP due to a combination of poor turn out and the voters wanted to punish the main parties over the expenses scandal. The same situation as in the late 1970's when the National front was used as a protest vote, yet some people ignore the fact that some of the policies they were using, were the policies that the Conservatives were using in the 1960's. The BNP likes to play the victim in many cases to gain sympathy. The old adage that any publicity is good. The BNP's opponents are continually providing Nick Griffin with publicity that he wouldn't otherwise get. If he'd attended and and been ignored by the protesters, it might have warranted a small paragraph at the bottom of an inside page in most newspapers. Now he'll probably be on the front pages having been mentioned at length in all the TV news bulletins. Still when he was banned from the garden party people tend to forget that his colleague Andrew Brons, was attending the party and there was no mention. The Marmite situation certainly keeps the party in the spotlight even when it has lost many of their councillors and all their deposits in the recent elections. Curious how the BNP supporters come out of the wood work on these questions - maybe a marmite soaked trap might work on them. The thing is the whole Unilever thing gave the BNP publicity though not in the way the BNP hoped.
- 1 decade ago
I don't know, I make it no secret that I am not a BNP supporter, to put it mildly, and am prepared to defend my position, but if I were a BNP supporter I would frankly be jumping up and down now in my little red, white and blue socks for all the free publicity they get from the BBC and the rest of the media in general. For instance the Radio 4 headlines yesterday carried the story that Nick Griffin was going to attend the Queen's Garden Party at Buckingham Palace, big story, is it really any different from "LibDem back bencher has weekend at Margate and buys some chips"?
The tragedy is that even if the BNP faces financial ruin and disbands their ideas are never going to go away till the rational arguments against them are made more public.
- Anonymous5 years ago
I think you're all getting a bit carried away here... This is a marketing campaign which is taking 'a light-hearted look' etc at the up and coming election. It's another extension of the 'love it or hate it' campaign which has been quite successful for the company. Like all well-thought ad campaigns it's got everyone talking about the product in question. If the hate party is supposed to be the BNP then New Labour would have to be the 'Love' party. Gordon Brown? Ed Balls? Lurve? I rest my case – lighten up you lot!
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- 1 decade ago
the marmite story was just an excuse for the bnp to use the brand to catch a few eyes and a rant about the "injustice" the bnp faces. but marmite is iconically british so i can't see how this was in any way clever.
i also agree that people need representing (i think working class is a bit narrow, i would like a party that represents anyone who needs representing) and i hope labour will go this way, or coalesce with the greens. i expect the bnp will continue to lose momentum as the main parties take up their core "issues".
- The PatriotLv 71 decade ago
Unilever did not base anything on the BNP. When it comes to the hate party, yes, you can see things in them that the BNP have, but then you can also see that with other parties as well.
While I despise the BNP, they do represent around a million voters, and I would like to see the end of the BNP based on politics, not financial ruin. I want the BNP to be beaten fair and square at the ballot box, and no where else.
Source(s): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqYG7Gg2Sxw http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/static/in_depth/p... http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=An... - CiaronLv 61 decade ago
The BNP have been using the technique of playing the political underdog to gain some political points, the fact that Nick Griffin tried to use his ticket to the Royal Garden party for political ends resulted in him being barred from the palace garden party. He got jumped by Peter Tatchell who called him a "gutless coward". Two of Mr. Griffin's entourage then grabbed and pushed Mr. Tatchell as the BNP leader left the building. The whole having a thin skin - when he is accused of being a racist he denies it, even when the BNP manifesto has paragraphs that are inherently racist. As for Marmite it is vile it is an empirical fact. Still I wonder if he would be upset by The Doug Anthony Allstars song - Mexican Hitler.
- Adam CLv 51 decade ago
"Does this only show up the BNP to be very sad / arrogant / paranoid / totally devoid of humour and completely inept? What do you think?
"
Sad, No/ Arrogant No, Paranoid No,devoid of humour and completely inept No.
But naive Yes.
You also said Democracy deserved a blow, why is that.
Copyright laws are in place all over the world.
Instead of Democracy, would you rather live under a Fascist regime.
You're one of those UAF muppets arent you.
- Patriot PaulLv 71 decade ago
Funny, I seem to remember that the Marmite case was settled out of court, and the details were made confidential. So, may I ask where you plucked the figure of £100,000 from? Nobody got sued, and you have no idea how much the settlement was or even if there was one at all, but don't let that stop you.
"Not targetting [sic] anyone specific" eh? So it's a coincidence that Steve Heaving came from Barnet (like Nick,) and went to Cambridge (like Nick,) then this ad
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=moehMa91clo
came out a few days after this happened
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-A_WCDnmzQ0
Yeah, real coincidence.
Unilever were taking the "P," but lost their sense of humour when they got some back. I bet you won't be seeing anymore of The Hate Party or Steve Heaving, but the BNP are still very much alive, so who kicked who's ar$e?
- Anonymous1 decade ago
There are always going to be idiots. No amount of politics is going to increase their brain power.
If you have a party based upon stupidity, it's hardly surprising that their membership and their leadership is made up of the cerebrally challenged. Any political defeat by the BNP will just be treated by their membership as another blow to the cause by the organised powers of whoever they hate this week. Financial ruin means they will be less able to compete in future elections giving the half witted less opportunity to elect the half-baked.