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Do Atheists believe in a Supreme moral code?
I find Atheists tend to believe that morality is a product of evolution - a survival mechanism of sorts.
I therefore find it curious that Atheists often accuse God of being immoral.
But what moral code then would apply to a hypothetical Supreme Being other than his own Supreme Code? Why, should/ought the Supreme Being be subject to an "evolved" morality - or "majority rules" morality.
Could it be that when the Atheist makes the argument - God might be hypothetical, but the awareness of a Supreme code(subconscious or otherwise) is very real? Why else would the Atheist automatically assume/invoke (passionately in many cases) a code that must apply to God Himself?
Geezah - So are you saying that tyranny is intrinsically evil? And that should be a code that applies even to God?
Annonie - if you merely argue that God is logically inconsistent then that would make sense - but I suspect you actually believe hypocrisy is intrinsically wrong
Clam Crunchy - But isn't it logically inconsistent to claim morality is not absolute - but still applies to God (and to everybody else consequently). Doesn't this betray your subconscious subscription to the existence of a Supreme code?
Welltravelled - Atheism may have a narrow definition but its logical implications are broad and, I would argue, leads to absurdities when followed through to its ultimate logical conclusion. So excuse me if I am not impressed by a reproach based on semantics.
Zaius - But what makes the human rights charter a Supreme Authority. And if it is not a Supreme authority then why would it apply to a Supreme Being.
So doesn't this also betray your subconscious awareness of the existence of a Supreme morality?
Asteroth - Uhhh - "We now KNOW . . ." you say repeatedly. So you are saying that we are universally aware of the existence of a Supreme Code that applied even though we were not aware of it in the past? You have just stated that morality exists independantly of the human experience - betraying that you do in fact have an awareness of a Universal moral code - or a "knowledge of good and evil."
Simon - but if morality is based on logic and common sense then morality would be indisputable, universal ie Supreme.
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- Dr. ZaiusLv 41 decade agoFavorite Answer
My point of reference is humanism in the humanitarian understanding. You may refer to the human rights charter for a basic understanding.
Supplement: I think there is a misunderstanding. I (!) regard humanism to be a supreme moral code as do many atheists. But it is an arbitrary choice I made myself, because I want to be happy and I want everybody else to be happy. I came to the conclusion that the idea, that everyone should have the freedom to pursuit happiness, as long as they don't imbue this right to other people. That is my guiding principlle, so my supreme moral code. Departing from this premise, I judge what I regard as good an what I regard as bad. This is morality. And thus, the christian, moslem and jewish God clearly is not following this premise, I judge him as immoral.
There is nothing in nature or in super-nature that dictates moral codes. Nature is neither moral nor immoral. It simply is. It doesn't care, if innocent blood is shed or if ecosystems die. Nature doesn't think.
As for super-nature (i.e. gods), it doesn't exist. But from the portrayal in religious stories, I can judge those constructs to be immoral, that is according to my standard.
So this is maybe also a misunderstanding of the word 'supreme' i guess. To me, it means that there is nothing above it. It is the reason in itself, the premise from which the rest unfolds. To you, it seems to be something more abstract, like an immutable truth, an inalienable right. A concept which I don't believe in.
- SimonLv 41 decade ago
Well, my friend, the problem is this: there is not such a thing as a "supreme moral code". Like you said, the supreme being so much talk about is hypothetical. So, isn't it quite a logical conclusion?: any moral code of any hypothetical supreme being, it is non existence and irrelevant. We should not accept any code whether your call it moral or just simples laws and regulations, just because somes say it comes from a supreme being but by it mereits, logic and common sence. All the "divine moral code" we know about were made by man. By intuition, experience and common sense, man knows what's good or bad for his well being and self preservation. So, he makes rules accordingly. for his life. The subconscious code you hightlight has been put there by life experiences, or by active or passive indoctrinations.
- Anonymous1 decade ago
No. Once you understand that atheism ONLY means "no belief in any god," and nothing else, you might stop making such unwarranted assumptions.
By the way, atheists don't "accuse god of being immoral." You're missing the point. What they're pointing out is that the stories about the claimed god of the Jews/Christians describe that claimed god as immoral. That the claims of the bible being some kind of source of perfect morality are worthless. We're pointing out the contradictions in YOUR claims, that's all.
Peace.
- Anonymous1 decade ago
>>Do Atheists believe in a Supreme moral code?
Some do, some don't. Scroll up and search yahoo.com for information on groups like Objectivists, Raelians, etc.
All the term "atheism" means is "no belief in deity". Anything beyond that could differ from atheist to atheist.
>>Why, should/ought the Supreme Being be subject to an
>>"evolved" morality
So it's OK for God to be a tyrant?
- Anonymous1 decade ago
The fact that morality is not absolute, does not mean it doesn't exist. Space and time of course are not absolute but relative to the observer, in analogy.
The notion of morality must be based on reason. A person who merely believes some standards of morality to be God given, with nothing to support this belief on but faith, and can commit any act regardless of how immoral or illogical it is.
Does it strike you as logical that God would condemn millions to burn in Hell, simply because they could not bring themselves to believe that a carpenter was the Son of God?
- AstarothLv 71 decade ago
We build our morals on what we know is right based on acceptable social standards. Thus what was acceptable 100 years ago is no longer deemed acceptable. As we have become educated we now know that it is wrong for females not to have the same rights as men. We know that it is wrong to discriminate due to a persons colour of skin. We now know that it is immoral to have non-consenting slaves. We know that it is wrong to slaughter the first born children and that ethnic cleansing is really naughty. So, if we can expect us, mere humans to abide by these basic rules which can be summed up with "be nice to each other." why can God not abide by such a simple rule. Why, if he is so powerful that he can do anything, is it impossible for him to be nice?
- Anonymous1 decade ago
NOBODY believes in a supreme moral code
morality differs between culture
You've been touched by Imperfectionist
- Anonnie MouseLv 71 decade ago
No supreme moral code save for try not to hurt anybody. Morality is highly subjective.
If your deity doesn't follow his own damn rules, then that makes him a hypocrite.
- Anonymous1 decade ago
when Atheists attach Immorality to a Christian God its because the followers of the Bible are the ones insisting on the word of God from that book... which are not only immoral but downright criminal
- 1 decade ago
you should try compairing that to a leader kinda. like a king who has absolute power over his kingdom. God is that king and we the people are well, the people of the kingdom. Does that king have his own rules?