CL draw what do you think?

yea its gonna be tough for spurs, Man U has a little challange, and Chelsea should have a easy task. Group G is gonna be a good one as will Group E. I cant wait to see Cluj v Bayern. Barca did get an easy group.

La Liga isnt better than the EPL

barca were in the group of death last season, and Man United's section was relatively easy.

Don't act like there is some sort of Barca-bias going on here. Last season, when they were actually champions, they drew Inter, kazan and Kiev and almost went out.

Probably because Sevilla had a much harder tie in the play-offs than Spurs?

And also because the three English seeds have been by far better than the rest of the league (with Liverpool) until last season. You people who judge the overall strength of a league by their CL teams are very flawed. Again, nobody said La Liga was by far better than the PL, nobody who wasn't trolling anyway, so get a grip and quit your crying.

By the way, you were saying the other day not to judge clubs by their UEFA coefficients (except you said FIFA when FIFA have **** all to do with this ranking).

I sort of agree, but look what you are doing now? So it's a relevant factor now as it suits your argument?

'Because 3 English teams made the round of 16, while only Barca did'

You talking about last season? Three English and three Spanish made the last 16 last season...Sevilla, Real and Chelsea all went out.

Yes EPL has done la Liga there but still it's only round 1

Rangers back in Manchester, double police that night?.

Arsenal, Chelsea, United's group's were all looking tricky but all got reasonable pot 4 teams I think. Braga will be more difficult than Donetsk I reckon for us, they look good.

That's a tough group for Spurs. They will need to win at Home.

Because 3 English teams made the round of 16, while only Barca did... Spain only has one less team than England.. anyway I do believe the PL is stronger overall than La Liga...

Rangers can finish 2nd to Man Utd. Valencia are average.

Spurs group is the most competitive.

CSKA v Arsenal Barcelona v Inter Lyon v Manchester United Bordeaux v Bayern Semi-very final attracts Winner of CSKA v Arsenal to play winner of Lyon v Manchester United Winner of Barcelona v Inter to play winner of Bordeaux v Bayern

Arsenal should get through the group stage unbeaten and top the group.

Hard draw, but not impossible... they could be in Real's group..