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Methadone addiction? At what mg does it become addictive?

I have started a methadone clinic recently and I know that methadone has some of the worse withdrawals of any or all of opiates, so I am wondering if anyone knows at what mg does methadone become addictive? I know everyone reacts to drugs differently, so I am just looking for personal experiences. thanks

Update:

no way! it is not easier to quit! I was on 80mg of methadone about 2-3 years ago and quit cold turkey. It was the worst two weeks of my life and ive gone through many withdrawls and nothing compaired to that two weeks of 80mg or methadone withdrawl! I do agree that it is an affective way of dealing with opiate addiction, but the addiction is worse than herion addiction withdrawl!

Update 2:

Thanks garyr, very inspiring words! I have quit both and have heard others say that quitting ciggs is harder than opiates, I don't know who these ppl are, but, when I quit methadone the first time there were several fazes I went through and the first was severe pain all throughout my bones, cold sweats...basicaly the flu times 10 then comes the depression. Im not a person who crys much but when the depression hit I cried like I was 2 years old and my parents just exploded in front of my face! so I appriceate your inspiring words, but quitting opiates is no where close to qutting ciggs. but this time I plan on staying on a lower dose so the withdrawl is not as bad and I'm not a slave to the methadone and this time I will taper off instead of cold turkeying it, that was not so smart on my end. and I don't know who gave you a thumbs down, but I'm sure it's someone who doesn't understand addiction and for someone who is not an addict I think you understand addiction quite well.Thanks again

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  • 1 decade ago
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    Methadone isn’t used to treat crack, so ignore the first replier. It has no indication for crack; the only purpose it serves in drug treatment is opiate addiction.

    •The first thing you have to understand is that MMT- Methadone Maintenance Therapy- when used for opiate addiction is not a “quick fix”, or a short term solution. For non-maintenance detox from opiates, you need to seek other routes~ opiate withdrawal may feel like dying, but it won’t kill you (save in conjunction with an underlying condition exacerbated d by it). Aside from methadone, withdrawal from opiates means you go cold turkey or to detox- detoxes are usually in hospital like settings and last 4-5 days; during which they wean you down with mild narcotics in decreasing doses, like Ultram and Bupranex. The actual meds vary by institution, but bear in mind detox is not considered recovered. After detox, the best chance at recovery requires residential rehab- upwards of 6 months’ worth- followed by a halfway house, then IOP (Intensive Outpatient Therapy) and Aftercare~ and this may all take more than 1 year. A year in which you can’t work, live with your family, or do anything else but focus on recovery.

    If you’ve never tried it, I always say go it first- but if you’ve done the detox, rehab and so one dance, a few times and it didn’t stick- MMT is a lifesaver.

    MMT has the highest success rate among opiate treatments- but the best chance of sobriety comes to those who spend a MINIMUM of 2 years on the program. The program involves taking your daily dose, and doing some counseling, but otherwise, you are able to immediately start over-

    I’m assuming you’re familiar, but in case not- opiate addiction, unlike other drugs, causes a physical dependence. If an addict suddenly stops using opiates, they become severely ill. Methadone is an opioid agonist- not an opiate, but a synthetic drug that works on the same receptors in the brain that opiates do, and therefor “tricks” the brain into thinking it’s getting opiates.

    There is a lot of science behind it- but the long and short of it is that our bodies produce endorphins- natural pain killers- in small amounts, as needed. Opiates- drugs derived from the poppy plant- (heroin, vicodin, Darvon, oxycontin, morphine, dilaudid, etc.)- when taken, cause an influx of these endorphins. When a person takes opiates on a regular basis, the human body, which is extremely adept at conserving it’s natural resources- recognizes that the person is providing them with more than enough synthetic endorphins through opiates- and the body stops producing it’s small amounts. So when an opiate addict suddenly stops using opiates, the body goes into an endorphin-deficiency, causing the person to become very ill.

    Until the last decade, addiction was not recognized as a disease. Since then, the medical community has found evidence of “addictive” genes, in the form of THIQ- a chemical produced from opiates & alcohol by certain people thought to contain the addictive gene. Those without the Addictive gene don’t process the opiates or alcohol the same way, and therefore, do not turn any portion of them into THIQ, the way a person with the addictive gene does. THIQ is believed to be part of the reason that an addictive-prone person develops such strong cravings & is unable to stop using, compared to the non-addictive prone.

    Methadone, when used to treat opiate addiction, and taken in the prescribed, stabilization dose, does NOT impair cognitive ability, motor function, or logic. The very basis of why methadone has been successful in treating opiate addicts is because it works in a time released capacity- rendering it incapable of producing feelings of euphoria or, in laymen’s terms, unable to get you high.

    Now- someone who has never taken methadone before, who takes a large enough dose, may experience marked drowsiness- but that’s why Methadone Maintenance Clinics (MMT) follow strict regulations that entail starting every new patient/opiate addict off at the very low dose of 20-30mg, regardless of their height, weight, or tolerance level to opiates. From there, each patient is seen by the clinic physician on a weekly basis, and given the small increase of 2 -5 mg once a week, until they are “stabilized”- meaning they’re feeling normal- not in acute physical withdrawal from the sudden lack of opiates in their system. From that point on, there is a blood test called a peak and trough, that measures the serum levels of the methadone in the patient, to ensure their dose is of a therapeutic level, and not so high as to cause drowsiness.

    There has been a lot of propaganda in the press lately about the dangers of Methadone- the bulk of which is directly related to a few celebrity deaths that were caused by the mixing of methadone and alcohol, or methadone & other medications. What is not so well known is that NONE- ZERO- of those cases involved opiate addicts taking methadone in a methadone maintenance program. All of them were the result of a personal physician prescribing methadone for pain, to patients who abused the medication by taking it with other drugs, creating a lethal reaction. The Harrison Drug Act made it illegal for physicians- general practitioners- to prescribe methadone to patients for opiate addiction. Only MMT clinics, which are strictly regulated, may prescribe it for addiction. MMT clinics require frequent, SUPERVISED, random drug screens (so anyone on methadone for opiate addiction cannot be abusing other meds, or they would be kicked off the program); as well as one on one counseling, group treatments, state required classes, state required physicals and blood tests, as well as anything else the individual’s counselor feels they need. They must complete treatment plans and goals on a monthly basis, demonstrating they are moving forward with employment, housing, etc., and they are not permitted to take many medications, even when prescribed by a physician, if there is any chance of an interaction. For example, benzodiazepines are well known for their ability to interact with methadone in a way that induced euphoria- (i.e., a buzz)- and are a major no-no. The MMT clinic will prescribe another medication that will not interact, if necessary, but using the benzo’s will result in being kicked off the program. A general practitioner, on the other hand, can prescribe methadone to whomever he sees fit for pain management, and there are no other regulations.

    When you decide to get off it is up to you- there’s no pressure either way. It entails being weaned down from your stabilized dose. So, for example- if you ended up stabilized at 100mg, and you’ve been taking that for 2+ years, daily, then you would begin by having your dose decreased 2-5mg, every week. As you get lower, in the 4-50 range, you may change to decreasing only 1-2mg, every week, or every other- methadone’s long half-life means it takes a longer time to leave the system. I know many people who were going down 5mg a week, every week, and felt fine- but then at 40mg, started feeling sick. This is because they were only then feeling those initial decreases, as the residual supply left their body.

    One you get down to about 10-20mg, your clinic physician will send you to a detox- this is imperative- as methadone withdrawal takes longer and can be slightly harder to get through. You’ll have a physician monitoring you throughout the whole thing, and the detox will get you through the last leg of the journey.

    I understand your hesitation, and the concern you have about swapping one for another. I had it too- and for many years, I let it convince me methadone was bad. When I ran out of options, and I’d tried everything else out a few times, I was backed in a corner and had to go on it- and I’ve been clean ever since.

    The one thing MMT does that detox doesn’t, is remove the cravings. While acute physical withdrawal is hell, the chronic, mental withdrawal, and the lingering physical withdrawal symptoms like insomnia, leg cramping and that awful crawling out of your skin feeling. Those can take upwards of a year to dissipate without methadone.

    In the near decade I have now had sober, I have turned my life around. I a m a mother, a wife, a business owner, and a tireless advocate for the rights of addicts and MMT. Only you can determine what will be the right road for you, but don’t allow the myths and stigmas of the medicine to dissuade you from taking it.

    I have tons more information on it if you want; feel free to email me with any questions- I can also give you information on other types of treatment besides methadone, too. Some other resources:

    * http://www.facebook.com/erinmsantana#!/group.php?g...

    (This is a group on Facebook about MMT education. If you have any questions, feel free to email me; i am the admin for the group).

    * http://www.methadone.org/ (NAMA_ National Alliance for Medication Assisted Recovery , is one of the leading sources of information and education on methadone for MMT)

    *http://www.drugtext.org/library/books/methadone/se... (The Methadone Briefing is an excellent resource that breaks down the myths and stigmas regarding methadone).

    *http://www.whitehousedrugpolicy.gov/publications/f... (ONDCP- a factsheet on methadone from the Office of National Drug Control policy).

    Source(s): Recovering heroin addict & MMT client; completed all classes & in service requirements for CDCL; tireless advocate for MMT & Addiction recovery rights.
  • 1 decade ago

    You are absolutely right, methadone is just as addictive as heroin. In fact, I've seen some studies that suggest it is even more so. But it breaks the habituation to heroin, and it's certainly cleaner and "safer" than heroin because it doesn't have the dangerous contaminants found in street heroin. Of course, you end up trading a heroin addiction for a methadone addiction. But you can come off it if you have a kindly doctor who will give you the proper sedatives and tranquilizers to help minimize the withdrawal symptoms. It's not a walk in the park, but I've met many addicts who were successful at withdrawing from all of it, so there is hope for you. Since I've never been a heroin addict, I don't know first hand the discomforts, but I've talked with a lot of former heroin addicts who have gotten off all of it. They all tell me it's easier to get off the opiates than it is to quit smoking cigarettes. And I'm an ex-cigarette smoker, so at least I THINK I have an idea. If you get mad at yourself and make up your mind that no matter what it's going to take, you're going to clean up and get off the drugs, I know you can do it. Some ex-addicts make the very best drug counselors in rehab centers, too! They know all about the game, and they can talk to addicts in language they can understand. So, there is hope for you, and you do have a future. Good luck to you.

  • Anonymous
    1 decade ago

    Congratulations! Methadone is prescribed for medical use,it's better than any other addictions like crack or whatever, and it's easier to quit.

    Source(s): My uncle was a Crack user, now clean with methadone.
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