Jehovah Witness; remember 20 years ago?

I remember 20 and 30 and 40 years ago when they assured the Witnesses that education was a waste of time and saving for the future was needless and even having children should be put off.

http://www.strictlygenteel.co.uk/millions/millions...

NOt a single Witness has answered your question.

http://www.cftf.com/1914/index.html

"the Creator’s promise of a peaceful and secure new world before the generation that saw the events of 1914 passes away." —Awake! magazine, page 4, thru October 22, 1995

…has now been reworded to say…

"the Creator’s promise of a peaceful and secure new world that is about to replace the present wicked, lawless system of things."—Awake! November 8, 1995, page 4

‘New truths’ in the November 1, 1995 Watchtower magazine change the beliefs of Jehovah’s Witnesses concerning "the generation that saw the events of 1914," and the November 8, 1995 Awake! drops that magazine’s long-standing prophecy.

Ever since the late 1940’s Awake! magazine had been promising the "sure hope for the establishment of a righteous New World" on page 2 of each issue. Then in 1964 it added the thought that this would happen "in this generation"—"…reflecting sure hope for the establishment of God’s righteous new order in this generation."

In 1975 it was no longer Awake! magazine’s promise but now became the Creator’s promise: "…the Creator’s promise of a new order of lasting peace and true security within our generation."—January 8, 1975

January 8, 1964 AWAKE! magazine, page 2

January 8, 1964 Awake! magazine, page 2

January 8, 1975 Awake! magazine, page 2

January 8, 1975 Awake! magazine, page 2

It was a very serious step to add this expression, "the Creator’s promise," since it meant that the Watchtower Society (the magazine’s publisher) was now prophesying in the Creator’s name—in God’s name. The Creator warns in the Bible against doing this without receiving a command from Him to do so:

But a prophet who presumes to speak in my name anything I have not commanded him to say, or a prophet who speaks in the name of other gods, must be put to death. You may say to yourselves, "How can we know when a message has not been spoken by the LORD?" If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the LORD does not take place or come true, that is a message the LORD has not spoken. That prophet has spoken presumptuously. Do not be afraid of him.—Deuteronomy 18:20-22 NIV

Did the Creator really command the Society to say that He promised the new order would come "within our generation"?

Elsewhere, the Society specified more precisely what it meant by "our generation":

"Jesus was obviously speaking about those who were old enough to witness with understanding what took place when the ‘last days’ began.… Even if we presume that youngsters 15 years of age would be perceptive enough to realize the import of what happened in 1914, it would still make the youngest of ‘this generation’ nearly 70 years old today.… Jesus said that the end of this wicked world would come before that generation passed away in death."

—Awake! October 8, 1968, pages 13-14

In 1982 the Watchtower Society changed the prophecy on page 2 of each Awake! issue to include the same thought about 1914. It was no longer a vague "our generation" that would see the world’s end, but the generation that saw the events of 1914: "…the Creator’s promise of a peaceful and secure new order before the generation that saw the events of 1914 C.E. passes away." (January 8, 1982)

Awake! October 8, 1968, page 13

Why would we hold our breaths? We serve Jehovah for the long haul, not a date code. Sure I more than most would love for the end of this system to come soon, now in fact. My health is lousy with pain every minute. So personally I would love for the new system with God's Kingdom government to take over this afternoon. But I am also just as aware of how many are coming out of false religion and into Jehovah's organization to safety before that coming end. If it came 20 years ago or even now, how many people would loose their lives needlessly? You do not think about others though do you? You are only concerned with ridicule. It is just as 2 Peter 3:3-4 said in quoting Jude 17, 18, "For YOU know this first, that in the last days there will come ridiculers with their ridicule, proceeding according to their own desires 4 and saying: “Where is this promised presence of his? Why, from the day our forefathers fell asleep [in death], all things are continuing exactly as from creation’s beginning.” This is exactly what you are doing here now. We think about others though. Though other JWs may be in worse shape than I am, we continue to consider others in need. If we must endure pain and hardship so that others may learn the truth of God's Word, then we will do so. We pray not for God's Kingdom rule of earth on our time, but in Jehovah's due time and schedule. Only he will know the precisely perfect time for this to happen. We wait on Him.

If Jesus can tell you he would be back in the generation of his disciple and Christians had been waiting for that for the pass 2000 years, I guess 100 year is a reasonable amount of time to wait .....

Oh, I am also quite sure you do know you do not need to read the bible to find out rubbish as well, right?

Nope, I sure don't remember that because such a thing wasn't the case 20 years ago. But do YOU remember when you signed up to be brainwashed with such lies that you're now promoting through Yahoo Answers? Was it willingly? Was there a fee you had to pay first?

Clearly you know NOTHING about Jehovah's Witnesses, and you're just out to rant ignorantly.

Correction: You're not funny in ANY sense.....at least not to anyone but yourself.

Well that's the best thing Mr. Elihu could do. Dig and dig in JW box and get nothing. The last time I had a conversation with him thru emails I asked him to explain why his chosen path was better than JWs. He refused to give reasons instead he keep on pointing and accusing JWs. I challenged him over and over again to explain why his beliefs are better. But again he refused over and over again. He keep on pointing the same allegations on JW beliefs. His reason was he has no obligation to explain himself. This is more humurous and funnier! He even implied that his god-given gift was to be used in JWs. Not on helping others understand the bible.

You criticize others yet refuse to explain why you are better. Well I still have to respect you. THe method of our preaching is very much different than yours. Our ability to explain the bible is not to be used to mock others. But to help interested ones understand the bible. Your method is so unique. It was specifically designed to JW as you said in your email. I remember that you said you are trying to help JWs realize we are wrong and you are right. Is that your way of doing that? By ridiculing us? You find it attractive and christian?

For sure. You'll end up again avoiding the challenges I made.

you said:

all I am trying to do is show Jw's the exclusive attitude is wrong. I use what you call ridicule to do this to make it obvious the mislead path of the Jw org. I also do this as a way to correct this exclusive attitude of the Jw's and if it works, I believe there is a chance that I have stopped the Governing Bodies implanted attitude into the particular Jw.

At least it is very clear to me and to all Y!A users that you prefer to do that "exposing" using your unique method rather than preach what the bible teaches. U prefer "what the JWs teach." THis is the answer why you refuse to explain and share your biblical beliefs (if any). Because you have nothing to share other than your dislike on JWs. You prefer to ignore billions of people searching for biblical truths instead you chose 7M JWs who would never listen to you, especially in Y!A. Well, it's your choice. Do you honestly think you will be able to convince the JWs with your method? I tought you are tryng to help me (the JWs)?

Wake up. Your statements are contradicting. Even nonJWs are not pleased with your style. You are just tickling the ears on anti-JWs. But nonJWs are definitely not liking your attitude.

Again for the record, we do not believe only us will be saved. Mr. Elihu is so convinced to himself that JWs believe only JWs will be resurrected and saved. I have cited a publication that explains otherwise. Yet he didn't accept it. He prefer Y!A links from anti-JWs rather than official source.

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I have asked them and inquired before. In addition I already heard several public talks contradicting your accusations and i have read it clearly in the publications. So there you go. You are very wrong. So my proof is more accurate than yours. What's your proof BTW? links from anti-JWs? As i've said, the publications I cited shows that it's not JWs only who will be saved. Do you honestly think elders will have different statements?C'mon, I think we need some common sense here. :-)

Your effort is very futile. You keep on insisting the JWs preach only JWs will be saved when in fact it's not. Keep on insisting it. It will bring you nowhere. It's like tryng to break a wall with your head :-)

I just can't believe that back in your emails you said you were trying to help the JWs. Now everyone answering this Q can see the manner you are trying to help the JWs. Very interesting

:-)

You said...

I have not looked at it in detail but at a guess I would say that by not directly saying outright that only Jw's get saved at Armageddon, the GB can portray a euphemistic meaning to give two different perceptions.

This has been the problem with the way you make conclusions. You do not really look into it but only choose the things you want to believe and guess.

Whether the salvation we are talking about was through or after the Armageddon JWs believe that it is not us who will determine who will be saved and survive in the Armageddon. WT Nov 1 2008 p28 says..However, they (JW) also believe that it is not their job to judge who will be saved. Ultimately, God is the Judge. He decides.

Another proof..

Who Will the Survivors Be?

SURVIVAL of the coming world destruction will not be a matter of chance, as so often happens in human wars. It will not be determined by the part of the earth in which one lives. Nor will it result from one’s hurrying to some bomb shelter or other refuge at the sound of a warning siren. Survival will DEPEND ON GOD'S MERCY along with one’s deliberate choice made before the foretold “great tribulation” begins. How can you make the choice that will place you among those surviving to life in a peaceful new order? (Capitalization mine)

Book - True Peace and Security—How Can You Find It? Chapter 8 p 90 (1986)

If you will read further, it says, Jehovah looks in hearts of man. So there you go, from our publication it is clear that we believe it is God who will determine not us.

Another proof..

From our Revalation book (chap 1 par 5)..

True, Armageddon is described in the last book of the Bible as “the war of the great day of God the Almighty.” (Revelation 16:14, 16) But it will be far different from a nuclear holocaust! Such a holocaust would likely mean the annihilation of all life on earth. On the contrary, God’s Word gives the happy assurance that only wicked opposers of God will be destroyed—by forces under God’s control. (Psalm 37:9, 10; 145:20) A great crowd of humans, out of all nations, will survive the climax of divine judgment at Armageddon. Christ Jesus will then shepherd and guide these to life everlasting in a paradise earth. Do you not want to be one of them? Happily, Revelation shows that you may be!—Revelation 7:9, 14, 17.

(Certainly JWs do not believe that all nonJWs are wicked)

So It is not us who will determine who will be saved. We can't just say it's only the JWs who will survive.

So start reading and stop guessing and stop making faulty assumptions. The more you input you give more you are proven wrong with your assumptions. Sorry to say this you assume a lot about us. :-)

Heeey, that's not right! My dear old dad was born in 1913, and he only died ten years ago! You mean to tell me these people were just waiting around for him to kick the bucket so Jebus could come back? Sooo not cool....

Remember 493 years ago when the Protestants broke away from the Apostasy Catholic Church and brought with them all the false teachings. Like the Trinity,Hell, Immortality of the soul and more.

The only rubbish I see is your ignorant rant disguised as a question.

I do indeed remember 20 years ago, and what you say is a gross fabrication.

Jehovah's Witnesses are busy preaching the good news of God's kingdom.

20 years ago, and today.

The JWs have frequently produced false predictions. And please ignore Woopsie Doodle. As everyone knows, this is a sock account of the fellow formally known as Defeater of Rust, Tobias Funky, Yankee Fan, and thousands of other names.

All we see here is yada yada yada yada yada yada

Where's the question?