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Was Jesus telling the truth when He explicitly said that He was “a man” (John 8:40)?

Jesus explicitly said that He was “a man” that hath told you the truth, rather than a God who told you the truth. In fact, Jesus even tells them that He had heard the truth from God, rather than He was God.

Right?

Update:

Since everybody agree that is true, why did Jesus “never” explicitly say that He was God crystal clear like the above ?

Update 2:

Thanks for the response:)

1.He did said that before Abraham was I am. But did he said before Abraham I am God?

2.I am Alpha and Omega and the first and the Last , is he the same Jesus who was born through Mary.?

3.Is this the same Jesus of the bible who personally admitted at John 5:30 that He was not omnipotent when He explicitly said,“I can of mine own self do nothing" which in other words mean by his own initiative he can do nothing.

Update 3:

At Num 23:19, it explicitly says,“God is not a man, that he should lie, nor a son of man, that he should change his mind. Does he speak and then not act? Does he promise and not fulfill?”

This verse explicitly says that God is not a man….“nor a son of man,” right? If so, then “Do you still maintain that Jesus who you claimed was the “son of man,” was also God,”. See the dual nature claim will not a problem for me but rather a problem for you , how do you reconcile Hypastatic Union whatever it was you mean with the above and vis a vis "patripassionism". See.. the Christendom as i understand doesn't support the idea it was God the Father who was been crucified on the cross + God the Father with full of Male characteristics and genital who was born through Mary right? Unless you think the otherwise... is that personal interpretation.

BTW, the Alpha and Omega text you shown is the word of John base on his dream not Jesus right..

Update 4:

@St Augustine,

Why do you not also concede that God was referring to Jesus when He explicitly said,“God is not a man….”nor a son of man” since more often than not Jesus is referred as the son of man according to Bible and it is numerous it will only be supported by context of Messianic Title only? Wow! I have no problem to the understanding that "son of man" has no reference whatsoever to Jesus in any kind or context whatsoever. I can only agree that the terms “son of man” and “son of God” are repeatedly used throughout the bible, and neither term is an exclusive a reference to Jesus albeit it is quite popular reference in Daniel’s prophecy.

Who in the world really believe Jesus is the son of man? I reiterated that , actually the biblical fact that Jesus referred to Himself as the “son of man” isn’t a problem for me, but rather a problem for you…as it relates to Christianity doctrine that Jesus is God.

Daniel’s prophecy (Dan 7:13-14) cannot on be a reference to Jesus (son of man), w

Update 5:

Daniel’s prophecy (Dan 7:13-14) cannot on be a reference to Jesus (son of man), which claimed by Christianity to be God without being a contradiction of Num 23:19, whereas it explicitly says that God is not man …..”nor the son of man,” right?

Update 6:

My view on Revelation is also wrong? even though it per the Ezk 22:28, which explicitly says:“Her prophets whitewash these deeds for them by false visions and lying divination.

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  • 1 decade ago
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    Yup.

    But how does this go against the deity of Christ and the Trinity?

    Ever heard of the Hypostatic union? Hypostatic union = Christ has two natures, Divine and Human i.e. both God and man.

    "Since everybody agree that is true, why did Jesus “never” explicitly say that He was God crystal clear like the above ?"

    Sure he did: Revelation 22:13 "I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End."

    John 8:58-59 "Very truly I tell you,” Jesus answered, “before Abraham was born, I am!” At this, they picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus hid himself, slipping away from the temple grounds" Don't respond by saying "I am" means nothing". The only evidence you get is a simple statement from people saying "I am your son" "I am your firstborn", etc. Clearly not the same statement Jesus said.

    @Tawfiq: Your argument doesn't hold water. "But did he said before Abraham I am God? " When clearly reading the verse, yes. Ego Ami/I AM in Greek is a powerful way for Jesus to claim divinity. And looking at the reaction the Jews gave, its clear they understood Jesus was claiming to be YHWH." is he the same Jesus who was born through Mary.?" Jesus existed long before He was conceived as a man. John 17:5 "And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began." Jesus preexisted, and had glory with the Father.

    "who personally admitted at John 5:30 that He was not omnipotent " Must I bring up the Hypostatic Union again?

    @Tawfiq- Num 23:19 says God is not a man, that he should lie. Or a son of man that he should repent/change his mind. When Jesus said he was the "Son of Man" this was only a Messianic Title. Was Jesus really descended from a man? No. Again no conflict.

    Your view on Revelation is also wrong. If visions are only dreams, Muhammad only dreamed to see a angel. You also have a wrong view on Christ's two natures. Assuming we believe he was also the Father, witch is wrong.

    @Tawfiq- Son of man was only a Title given to Jesus. Was Jesus really descended from a man like the others who used the Title? No. Son of Man, describes his Human nature, and being the Messiah. God called the prophet Ezekiel “son of man” 93 times. God was simply calling Ezekiel a human being. A son of a man is a man. Jesus was fully God (John 1:1), but He was also a human being (John 1:14). First John 4:2 tells us, “This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God.”. Numbers 23:19 does not preclude God from ever becoming a man, but only forbids that God should ever become like fallen men, being untrustworthy, lying, or failing to keep His word. That was Balaam's point in the passage.

  • 1 decade ago

    Jesus the Christ is FULLY human and FULLY divine. Read the ENTIRE gospels before arriving at a conclusion based on one line.

    I.E. The baptism of Christ - spirit descends - God's voice, "This is MY SON with whom I am well pleased..." If God is God, then His Son is also divine and also God. A king's son is also king. It also says Christ was begotten of the Father, not made. AKA, God the Son has existed for all eternity, like God the Father.

    It also says that Jesus is the Son of Man - with a capital M. He was fully human as well as being God. If God is infinite and almighty and can do anything- than why is it difficult to believe that He can be both Human and Divine?

  • 1 decade ago

    Yes. He was born as a man through Mary his mother, and God as His Father. He was typified in the Old Testament, in many ways, as being a man. Yet, as the Old Testament declares, He is also God.

    Examples:

    Isaiah 9

    6 For to us a child is born,

    to us a son is given,

    and the government will be on his shoulders.

    And he will be called

    Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God,

    Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

    Another example by the Law of Moses:

    Numbers 5:8

    But if the man have no kinsman to recompense the trespass unto, let the trespass be recompensed unto the LORD, even to the priest; beside the ram of the atonement, whereby an atonement shall be made for him.

    Another example, by the prophecy of the Messiah:

    Daniel 7

    13 “In my vision at night I looked, and there before me was one like a son of man, coming with the clouds of heaven. He approached the Ancient of Days and was led into his presence. 14 He was given authority, glory and sovereign power; all nations and peoples of every language worshiped him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass away, and his kingdom is one that will never be destroyed."

    Keep in mind, only God is to be worshiped according to the Law God handed down to Moses.

    He is also the Lord of the Sabbath:

    Luke 6:5

    Then Jesus said to them, “The Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath.”

    He is the Kinsman Redeemer typified in the Book of Ruth. He became kin to us humans, so that the salvation he brought to humans could be perfect and complete.

    Hebrews 2

    14 Since the children have flesh and blood, he too shared in their humanity so that by his death he might break the power of him who holds the power of death—that is, the devil— 15 and free those who all their lives were held in slavery by their fear of death.

  • 1 decade ago

    TUBEROOT HAS IT PERFECT: If you don't receive it, I judge you not, there is one who judges

    RIGHTEOUSLY...

    Jesus was and is and will be The Truth, that's what HE brought to the world. So, the question is

    who is with The Truth but he that does The Truth. And no fault is found in him for stumbling, that is

    if Jesus Christ is in him.

    Jesus told His brothers, you are from below, I AM from above, no one comes to The Father of Truth

    except through Jesus Christ.

    God is The Holy Spirit, and HE is incarnated in Jesus Christ.

    Is not a drop of Water every bit genuine as an ocean of Water. So, it is with Jesus Christ on earth

    The Full Presence of The God Head.

    When Jesus took Peter, John, and Andrew to the mountain of Transfiguration, Peter began a dialogue

    about let us build 3 temples, One for the Prophet Elijah, The Prophet of The Law, Moses, and

    One for Jesus Christ, The Lamb of God that takes away The sins of the world, to them that call

    upon HIS Name...

    Before Peter, could get all of his words out, ALMIGHTY GOD, STOPPED HIM, AND SPOKE:

    " THIS IS MY BELOVED SON, IN WHOM I AM WELL, PLEASED. HEAR YE HIM."

    But if anyone, does not believe out report, there is one who judges.

    It is more profitable to hear HIS SON, AND DO HIS WORDS, than to think you can pick it apart,

    trying to find "FLY DUNG OUT OF PEPPER, ESPECIALLY WHERE THERE IS NONE."

    to our own undoing...as for me I will call upon the Name of The Lord, in my hour of trouble and none

    other...

    GOD ALMIGHTY THUNDERED...GOD IS THE SAME YESTERDAY, TODAY, AND TOMORROW.

    Source(s): EVERY KNEE SHALL BOW EVERY TONGUE CONFESS, THAT JESUS CHRIST IS LORD OF LORDS TO THE GLORY OF GOD HIS FATHER, ARE ONE... Jesus Christ, Who Lighteth every man, that cometh into this world. No, one is in heaven, except Jesus Christ put them in heaven and there is no other way...
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  • 1 decade ago

    JESUS IS THE TRUTH!

    IT'S THE "MAN OF LAWLESSNESS" THAT NEEDS TO BE QUESTIONED! HE IS A LIE!

    THE "MAN OF LAWLESSNESS" EXALTS HIMSELF OVER EVERYONE!

    BEHOLD THE "MAN OF LAWLESSNESS"!

    THE WARNING IS SOUNDING THROUGHOUT THE EARTH FROM THE ALMIGHTY AGAINST those who make up a collective group under a singular title called

    "MAN OF LAWLESSNESS"! The man of lawlessness EXALTS HIMSELF above ALL. He even claims a place that belongs to God! His actions are ABOVE everyone elses, sacred or not! The rules that apply to everyone else, he feels DOES NOT APPLY TO HIM! An example, when other persons do criminal acts, they are convicted and punished. The man of lawlessness is WITHOUT LAW, those laws do not apply to HIM, why the man of lawlessness is even PRAISED and HONORED. His monuments are found in many lands that is left to MEMORIALIZE his THIEVERY, PLUNDERING, and BLOODSHED!

    OH but he does powerful works! Look at all that he has ACCOMPLISHED! CITIES THROUGHOUT THE EARTH, TECHNOLOGY, SPACE TRAVEL, MEDICAL SCIENCE, OH SO SO MANY POWERFUL WORKS AND LYING SIGNS. He has to spread his way of doing things to OTHER nations too because HIS WAY IS RIGHT! RIGHT? And if the other nations don't want to walk HIS WAY, They have to be PUNISHED, RIGHT? WHY HE'S GOD! RIGHT? WRONG! ! !

    " He will oppose and will EXALT HIMSELF over EVERYTHING that is called God or is worshiped , so that he sets himself up in God's temple, proclaiming HIMSELF to be God" (2Thessalonians 2:4) "Then the lawless one will be REVEALED, whom the Lord Jesus will DO AWAY WITH BY THE SPIRIT OF HIS MOUTH AND BRING TO NOTHING BY THE MANIFESTATION OF HIS PRESENCE." (2Thessalonians 2:8)

    LET ALL WHO READ THIS MESSAGE UNDERSTAND THE MEANING! ! !

  • 1 decade ago

    Well Colossians 2:9 says " For in him all the fullness of Diety dwells in bodily form." So yes Jesus was both God and man.

  • Anonymous
    1 decade ago

    Jesus was the Son of God. He was also the personification of God on Earth.

  • 1 decade ago

    Yes, but that was true, and does not go against the trinity view at all.

  • 1 decade ago

    IT's true that Jesus said that, but the believers try not to notice that in the Bible.

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