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What are the methods for finding the points of symmetry/antisymmetry of a function?
(1) How do you tell if a function is absolutely symmetric/antisymmetric, locally symmetric/antisymmetric, or asymmetric?
(2) For a function f(x). How do you find the points of symmetry/antisymmetry if they exist?
(3) For a function f(x_0, x_1, x_2, ..., x_n). How do you find them if they exist?
Links for related materials are also appreciated.
Thank you.
Cool Dude,
I don't know how to define symmetry/antisymmetry. But I was imagining a process of taking "continuous" limits(I don't know how to do it, and the word for it). For example, in the case of a symmetric function, first we find a point of symmetry(c, f(c)). Next, as f(c-Δx) and f(c+Δx) go farther apart with Δx(>0) increases, we check how far the limits (from c side) continue to match up.
The combinatorial method in paragraph1 also seems very interesting. Do you have any recommendations for futher readings online?
Your "f(x) = -f(2c-x)" argument seems consistent. But I can imagine some functions whose point of antisymmetry is not on x-axis: (x+a)^3+b, sin(x+a)+b. Aren't there other types of functions that are non-zero at the points of antisymmetry as well?
I also wonder how to tell where the boundary of symmetry/antisymmetry is, i.e., how far it is symmetric/antisymmetric.
Please feel free to expand. Even though this question is related to definite integral, I think this is
EDIT
I can naively think of 2 types of symmetry, and 1 type of antisymmetry, so I try to explain them below. Symmetry type 1 and antisymmetry are my main interest. In every case below, we consider locally.
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Geometrically (and naively),
Symmetry type 1| 2 pieces of a function (one is on interval [s-Δx, s] and the other on [s, s+Δx] where Δx>0) match up when reflected in the vertical line x=s.
Example: parabola, sinx.
Symmetry type 2| 2 pieces of a function (one is on interval [a, s] and the other on [s, b]) match up when reflected in the (not necessarily vertical) line that passes through the point (s, f(s)).
Example: semi circle, 1/x.
Antisymmetry| 1 piece of a function on interval [t-Δx, t] matches up with another piece on [t, t+Δx] (where Δx>0) when rotated by angle π centered at the point (t, f(t)).
Example: x^3, sinx.
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Guesses:
1. Symmetry type 1
-a point of symmetry (s, f(s)) can only occur at a maxima/minima.
-with a point of symmetry (s, f(s)), we first find the near
est critical point(s). If we find only 1 nearest critical point at s+Δx, then the interval of symmetry is "at most" [s-|Δx|, s+|Δx|]. If we find 2 matching nearest critical points, then we find 2nd nearest critical point(s), and so on. (But this cannot determine the interval of symmetry.)
2. Symmetry type 2
-every point on a line is a point of symmetry.
-a point of symmetry cannot occur at an inflection point.
-a point of symmetry can occur at a non-critical point as well as at a maxima/minima.
3. Antisymmetry
-every point on a line is a point of antisymmetry.
-a point of antisymmetry can only occur at an inflection point except when a function is a line.
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Questions:
-How can we define symmetry/antisymmetry analytically in these cases?
-How can we find points of symmetry/antisymmetry?
-How can we find out the maximum interval of local symmetry/antisymmetry?
EDIT
Scythian,
I agree with you in your 1st paragraph.
In this post, I'd like you to consider the case when 2 pieces completely match up.
As for f(x)=x^2+x, I cannot think of a way to check. I can only imagine it's not antisymmetric because f"(x)>0 and it's convex at the point.
EDIT
Scythian,
Could you explain the derivation of this line symmetry existence formula, please ?:
f( x, y ) = f( b + bCos(2a) - Cos(2a)x + Sin(2a)y, bSin(2a) - Sin(2a)x + Cos(2a)y )
So far I've tried:
1. Line of symmetry (angle from x-axis = a, x-intercept = b):
y = tan(a)x - b tan(a).
2. Line perpendicular to the line of symmetry (x-intercept = c):
y = - x/tan(a) + c/tan(a)...............(1)
3. 2 lines parallel to the line of symmetry (And because the line of symmetry and the 2 lines should be spaced equally, x-intercepts = d, 2b - d):
y = tan(a)x - d tan(a)....................(2)
y = tan(a)x - (2b - d) tan(a)..........(3)
4. Intersections of (1) and (2), (1) and (3):
[ {d (tan(a))^2 + c}/{(tan(a))^2 + 1},
{d (tan(a))^3 + c tan(a)}/{(tan(a))^2 + 1} - d tan(a) ]
[ {(2b - d)(tan(a))^2 + c }/{(tan(a))^2 + 1},
{(2b - d)(tan(a))^3 + c tan(a)}/{(tan(a))^2 + 1} - (2b - d) tan(a) ]
5. The 2 points should satisfy f(x, y) = 0.
Even if I succeed in this process, it seems that it o
-nly says f(x, y) has a pair of points that are line symmetrical. I'm willing to bet you did it in a different way.
Please point me in the right direction.
Thank you.
3 Answers
- Scythian1950Lv 71 decade agoFavorite Answer
I think this question needs to be restricted in scope for any hope of a complete response. I think we should first consider only 2D functions on the x,y plane, and consider only 1) mirror symmetry about any line, and 2) symmetry about any point, which is the same as self-congruence about a 180 degree rotation. Once we have the basics, we can try to generalize to higher order functions.
The idea of "local symmetry" is too unclear at this point to go further with this, and maybe deserves its own Q&A. Any point of any function can be approximated by a power series, and so if the coefficients disappear for the x, x^2, x^3,.. terms, we then end up with either a mirror or rotation symmetry, depending on the remaining dominant term's power being even or odd. But I am not sure if this is good enough for you. For example, the function x + x^2, would you say that it has both "local symmetry" and "local antisymmetry" about the point (0,0)? Clarify?
I'll get back to this later.
Edit: Back. Okay, like I said, let's break this problem down into smaller pieces, instead of all at once. Right now, I'll just address the question of existence of symmetries for 2D functions, which I will express in implicit form, f(x,y) = 0, which is the most general way. There are only 2 kinds of 2D symmetries, which is 1) point symmetry, and 2) line symmetry.
1) Point symmetry: This is actually very easy. If for any particular (a,b) (which is the point of the symmetry):
f( x, y ) = f( -(x-a), -(y-b) )
then there is a point symmetry about (a,b).
2) Line symmetry: This is more complicated, because the line of symmetry can be at any angle and anyplace. If for any particular a and b, a being angle and b being displacement:
f( x, y ) = f( b + bCos(2a) - Cos(2a)x + Sin(2a)y, bSin(2a) - Sin(2a)x + Cos(2a)y )
then there is a line symmetry about the line at angle a from the x axis, passing through it at x = b. This is a general formula that will work for even simple symmetries such as for y = x², where a = b = 0. As an example, consider the implicit expression:
x² - 3x + y² + y - 2xy + 2 = 0
Letting a = - 45° and b = 1 and working it all out, you'll get exactly the same expression as before. This proves that there is a line of symmetry at 45°, intersecting the x axis at x = 1.
Unfortunately, FINDING the values of (a, b) in the case of point symmetries, and a, b in the case of line symmetries is altogether another matter. There is no systematic way of determining them that will work for any and all implicit functions.
Generalizing this to higher dimensions brings in many more forms of symmetries that are possible, which enormously complicates the job, and probably is worthy of a paper by itself. I think there is a version which is x, y symmetric, but that's another chore to work out.
Edit 2: It should be noted that the expression given for testing line symmetry isn't the only suitable one. There are others similar to it that will work just as well. I think there's a version which is x, y symmetric, but that's another chore to work out.
Edit 3: How to derive "the formula" for line symmetry testing: 1) shift the function along x axis by b, so that line of symmetry passes through origin. 2) rotate function counterclockwise by angle a so that line of symmetry is coincident with y axis. 3) flip function about y axis 4) rotate function clockwise by angle a. 5) shift funciton back along x axix by b. Combine the following steps:
1)..x2 = x1 - b
.....y2 = y1
2)...x3 = Cos(a) x2 + Sin(a) y2
......y3 = -Sin(a) x2 + Cos(a) y2
3)...x4 = -x3
......y4 = y3
4)...x5 = Cos(a) x4 - Sin(a) y4
......y5 = Sin(a) x4 + Cos(a) y4
5)...x6 = x5 + b
......y6 = y5
to get the final formula. Like I said, this isn't the only possible test for line symmetry, but it does generally look like this anyway. Steps 2) and 4) are the classic rotation matrixes, which are of the form:
....(Cos(a)....Sin(a))
....(-Sin(a)...Cos(a))
Look up "Rotation Matrix". As a matter of fact, these are all part of "symmetry transformations", the study of which is a huge part of not only mathematics, but physics as well. Symmetry plays a central role in the laws of physics, where for every symmetry there is, there is an associated conservation law, such as conservation of energy. Look up Noether's Theorem. Gauge symmetry is the foundation of the Standard Model of fundamental particles. The concept of symmetry is now generalized beyond basic geometric transformations, to wherever there exists a transform H() such that for any arbitrary function or object A, if H(A) = A, i.e., leaves it unaffected, then it's said that there exists a symmetry. This is an important and extremely powerful idea in both mathematics and physics, in widespread use. Also, look up "Lie Groups" as one example of "local symmetry". Y!A is cutting me off here now.
- ?Lv 41 decade ago
Could you clarify exactly what you mean by a symmetric function in n variables? In n variables, a symmetric function usually means once that is equal to itself if you permute the variables in any way. (Presumably, an antisymmetric function according to this definition would be one that is equal to ±1 times itself depending on whether the permutation of the variables is "even" or "odd".)
But you're grouping this discussion together with a question about functions of one variable being symmetric/asymmetric about a point, and this is related to the discussion in your other question, but is not related to the concept above.
Anyway... with one variable, an antisymmetric function has to be equal to 0 at the point of antisymmetry. Indeed, if c is the point of asymmetry of f(x), we then have for all x (or, in the locally antisymmetric case, all x close enough to c):
f(x) = -f(2c-x)
So:
f(c) = -f(2c-c) = -f(c) => f(c) = 0
So if you can find the zeros of f, this gives you a starting point.
Similarly, if f(x) is symmetric about c, then:
f(x) = f(2c-x)
Taking derivatives, we have:
f'(x) = -f'(2c-x)
i.e., f'(x) is antisymmetric about c. So if you can find the zeros of the derivative, you get a starting point for finding the points of symmetry.
Let me think about this some more.
- Anonymous4 years ago
because of the fact the x values are calmly spaced, there's a shortcut to looking the coefficient A in the quadratic equation y = Ax^2 + Bx + C. After that the gadget of equations is rather consumer-friendly to resolve for B and C. Take the modifications between the y-values (a million, 2) Take the version between those modifications (a million) Divide by way of the undemanding distinction between the x values (a million). that provides you A. So instead of 0 = A + B + C a million = 4A + 2B + C 3 = 9A + 3B + C ... you at present have: 0 = a million + B + C a million = 4 + 2B + C (you do not elect a 0.33 equation for the reason that there are purely 2 variables) At this element you will get rid of C by way of subtraction.