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More than once over the years I have seen steam in service and have wondered this... Now and then ive seen double or triple heading with other steam or diesel. sometimes its hard to tell even if they are working the steam. its obvious to hear if the diesel is working. and ofcourse its obvious to see and hear the shot gun blasts of exhaust from a steamer under strain. but how about when, the steamer is live, the stack is clear (good fireman), the diesel is in front, and they are doing between 25 and 50mph. say for instance a ferry run or dead haul move. makes me wonder just how would you put a steamer in nuetral? i cant believe its as simple as releasing the brakes. what of the back pressure build up between cylinder valve and throttle? usually the reverser position gives and indication of use, but at higher speeds the reverser would be set closer to center for the cutoff. so, clear stack, reverser in high cutoff, under steam, and doing say 40mph. im sure there are alot of situations for where and how a steamer would be "drifting" or moved in nuetral. my curiosity is from an operational stand point. how would you set it up? i would like to take a guess just to see if i can come close....

1. set reverser to minimum in direction you intend to travel so as to release steam chest pressure build up for when pistons get moving.

2. open cylinder drain cocks to drain water.

3. notch open throttle minimal to create low pressure exhaust.

4. release brakes.

even on a diesel electric, shes in nuetral, you release brakes. shes being dragged in tow. now thats simple. but.... the axles are spinning, which means the trac motor is too. i dont see how that doesnt build up volts just like it would if she was in dynamic. so what happens to the volts?

also, when a unit, steam or diesel, is in tow (live or not), i know there has to be some kinda setup for the brakes as well. seems though it would be a lil tricky with a lashup of say, diesel, live steam, train in that order. i know youd want the extra air the steamers pumps could afford, but youd still want brake control with the diesel thats in front.

there, that should get yall scratching your heads! im off to a train club meeting. were gonna do some scenery tonight. ill pose this question to the railheads there though i dont think any of them have steam experience.

thanks for the time!

PM Railfan

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  • 1 decade ago
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    In the days gone by, for longer movements of steam engines "dead in train," the side rods were removed, leaving just a wheel rotating on an axel, creating nothing more than a very heavy freight car. Rare these days.

    With most engines plying main tracks these days, they are usually equipped with modern (26L) air brake control schedules, so mu-ing is not a problem. These days most engines, if dead, are handled "Dead In Consist" (DIC). There can be instances where an engine is moved "Dead In Train" (DIT) Here, there is a feature in the air box called the "Dead Engine Feature." When cut in, it re-routes air through different ports and passages that allows the air brakes on the engine to behave just like a freight car control valve is telling it what to do. In addition, that engine DIT must be entrained in the last ten cars in the train, unless it has changed.

    For a drifting steam engine:

    1. power reverse full (in the corner) in the direction wanted

    2. open drain cocks when starting, then close

    3. light throttle (more for the lubricators than smoke box draft. The fire-boy has a blower at his disposal, but you're drifting anyway)

    4. engine brakes are released when running and auto air is cut out unless controlling the train from the engine on the point.

    Steam engine cross compound air pumps, which actually are amazing little machines in their own right, are not even close to putting out the volume available with modern, two stage, three cylinder, water cooled air compressors, (nominally 254 Cu. Ft. / Min. at full rack [900 rpm]) so their input is zero to less than zero. Like a flea on an elephant's back, and I would expect probably cut out when mu-ed with diesel electrics, tapped into their main reservoir, and saving time on the pumps. There's not a lot of 'em around and I'm told parts can be hard to find...

  • Andy
    Lv 7
    1 decade ago

    Well i'll take a stab at this.A steam engine is basically free wheeling when the throttle is closed(or at least so i've been told).Samurai will be able to answer this better than i can as he has fired on steam engines.Steam engines didn't have "MU" connections to be hooked up to diesels except for air.Most of the time you see a diesel behind a steam engine it's there in case the steam engine needs a bit of help on a grade and for it's dynamic brakes going down a grade.The diesel wouldn't need the help of the steam engine in the case of the engine brakes(or for main reservoir air either).We don't really use the engine brakes anyways til we actually come to almost a complete stop(new AC units have dynamic almost to a standstill).As for a free wheeling diesel the traction motors wouldn't be putting out any voltage.When a trailing unit is isolated the generator isn't doing anything.Without excitation to the traction motors they are doing nothing.

    Source(s): UPRR engineer
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