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the big bang theory means "time" is wrong?

Theoretical question for you cos you're an intelligent sort. Does time exist??

Time is a measurement of distance. Nothing more, nothing less. I.E. A year is how long it takes the earth to go round the sun, a day is how long it takes the earth to rotate on its axis. An hour is a 24th of that and a minute is a 60th of that again. So are we measuring time, or distance?

Hubble theorised that if the universe is expanding, then theoretically, when put in reverse, everything must come together in a singularity and hence the big bang. So time itself must have only started at the very moment of the big bang. NOTHING could have existed before the big bang. Not even time. Except the theory is flawed. How could time only start at the moment of the big bang, when it is only a measurement of distance?!

If all atoms combined in an indefinite fuse, in a place we cant know about and fused so hard that they caused so much friction they caused the big bang, then A) where did the atoms come from, B) where were they when they combined, C) where did the law of fusion come from which allowed it all to happen, D) were did the atoms come from in the first place? and E) Where did the space come from that allowed it all to happen?

I'm not saying "god" did this, as I'm an atheist and also because the same logical rules apply to god (ie. where did god come from then?), but outside of normal physical boundaries, what must have happened and how did it happen that allowed us to ask these questions?

If you dare to quote the bible I WILL mark you down. Only scientific and logical thought can explain this one, but even they will struggle. But at least they will be intelligent. What's the ideas people?

Update:

DicewDeath, you've simply failed to understand the whole theory of it all. Try reading and understanding the question again fiend...

Update 2:

Heavy Metal Jesus, answering the question "where did space come from?" by saying space is kind of foolish, wouldn't you agree? You might need to read the question again friend :)

Update 3:

Ihvinney, sir, you win. I think you've read a few points wrong, but that may be down to my inadequate questioning rather than your answers. All I asked for was intelligent rebate. Ihvinney provided and how. This person is why the why the human race will succeed. Thank you my friend :)

Update 4:

Messenger of God, could it be?! I gave u a thumbs up for your answer. At last, a reasonable and intelligent theory from the religious folk. Much respect to you.

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  • 10 years ago
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    You put the cart before the horse.

    e.g. a 'year' is the name we give to the time it takes the Earth to go around the sun.

  • 10 years ago

    "Does time exist??" Time is a phenomenon that we can experience objectively. So, yes, all evidence indicates that time exists.

    Time is a spacial dimension. distance is a length measurement. You are misusing the phrase "how long it takes." I understand that this is semantics, but semantics are important in physics. Improper word use leads to misconceptions, which is something you demonstrate you have here.

    "So time itself must have only started at the very moment of the big bang." The current model of cosmology agrees with this. All four spacial dimensions as we experience them came into existence during the big bang event.

    "Except the theory is flawed. How could time only start at the moment of the big bang, when it is only a measurement of distance?!" How can you measure the amount of time it takes for you to walk a mile if the clock didn't start running until the moment you started walking? Your question is nonsensical.

    "If all atoms combined in an indefinite fuse, in a place we cant know about and fused so hard that they caused so much friction they caused the big bang" The first stable quarks were too hot to form atoms. There were no atoms at the beginning of the universe. Remember that matter is simply a very concentrated form of energy (as per E = mc^2). You also need to account for quantum electrodynamics, which allows for particles to come into and out of existence, as they have been observed to do, all the time at the quantum level. The big bang event was undoubtedly a quantum mechanical event.

    "where did the atoms come from" The first atoms came from the stable combination of quarks. The exact origin of the quarks is still not known.

    "where were they when they combined" In an object of close to infinite density we call a singularity.

    "where did the law of fusion come from which allowed it all to happen" The electromagnetic force. All chemistry is simply a study of electromagnetic forces working upon small pieces of matter.

    "Where did the space come from that allowed it all to happen?" We don't know yet. We do know, however, that it is expanding.

    Remember, Big bang cosmology describes the expansion of the universe, not the origin of the universe. There is no experiment that has shown the origin of the universe definitively yet.

    I suggest you check out the following two lectures. They will give you a little more insight into universal origins.

  • ?
    Lv 7
    10 years ago

    Time didn't exist before the Big Bang. The Big Bang is was set the newly created universe into motion which is what we use to determine time. In our solar system we use the earths rotation to determine seconds, minutes, hours within a day and we use the earths revolutions around our sun to determine days, weeks, months within a year. If we lived in another solar system we would have to use a different clock and a different calendar to measure time.

    And besides the solar calendar of a year there is also the not so used lunar calendar of the year here on earth.

    Actually there are two forces at work within our universe Gravity (pulls) matter and Dark Energy (pushes) matter. And to prove that the Big Bang did happen is the result of the inertia caused by the blast, so Dark Energy which is the result of the Big Bang is expanding the universe.

    No one knows for sure but there might have been an imbalance between positive and negative charged particles which cause the Big Bang.

    But as a Christian I do believe God set into motion the Big Bang and today there are scientist looking for the elusive God particle which by theory should exist within all matter.

  • ?
    Lv 4
    10 years ago

    I will answer based on paragraph number.

    1) No distance is the measurement of distance, time is the measurement of the amount of a certain cycle an event occurs. The definition of one second is the duration of 9,192,631,770 periods of the radiation corresponding to the transition between the two hyperfine levels of the ground state of the caesium-133 atom.

    2) See 1) And not all hypothesis of what happened before the big bang involve time not existing.

    3) A singularity is not an atom, and I never heard of this description you explained. Perhaps you mixed up the formation of a black hole or something, because I'm pretty sure we haven't found conclusive evidence of what caused the big bang, and I'm betting it wasn't friction, since the electromagnetic force causes friction, and it was created after the big bang.

    Trying to explain what happened before the big bang is like explaining what happens to quantum particles, the laws of every day life do little to explain them. Whatever happened before the big bang, it would be just as hard, if not harder to understand than quantum physics. And after 50 years of quantum physics being a well defined field, the general public still has little understanding of it. I'm guessing it would be long after physicists figure out what happened before the big bang or even if there is a before, before people will get it.

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  • Tico
    Lv 5
    10 years ago

    Time is a concept, not a theory. It doesn't belong to science and is only partially to logic. Time can actually vary. Leap years are necessary to account for 'lost time' and how does a quarter of a day become unaccountable each year? There have been different calendars with varying amounts of days. The big bang is a theory that cannot be fully proven, time is a concept that helps us get by on a day to day basis. Both are accepted by most people. Do we really need to know where the first atoms came from, because we'll never know the answer to that?

    This question could be asked in different forms to a scientific group and religious group but still end up with the same answer. A mathematician is probably the best person to answer this.

  • Anonymous
    10 years ago

    A.) The atoms came from quantum fluctuation in space.

    "In quantum physics, a quantum fluctuation is the temporary change in the amount of energy in a point in space, arising from Werner Heisenberg's uncertainty principle."

    Mass is the same as energy, fundamentally. E=mc^2 and all that.

    B.) A point in space. It doesn't seem relevant, to be honest.

    C.) The laws of physics are determined (theoretically) by the place of this universe in the Landscape (the realm of possibility in which is contained all universes. The multiverse, if you will). There are "valleys" and "hills" in the Landscape, each possessing certain physical quantities. There are some good books on the matter out there. Read up a bit!

    D.) You've asked this already >.<

    E.) Definitely read a book on the Landscape. It's a bit above me to explain (I'm no expert) these things.

    Time used to be a direction of space, from what I've read. Apparently, it's since become different. Again, I've hardly a clue, so best to consult the experts.

    Source(s): WWHMJD? HE WOULD ROCK!!! Thou shalt turn thy music UP!!
  • 10 years ago

    Common sense tells me this:

    Time isn't as simple as distance traveled. If the world stopped going around the sun, time would still exist; 24 hours will still be 24 hours.

    Time is a dimensional thing within a certain realm if you like. The multi universe theory is now more common among the worlds top scholars so time gets a lot more complex.

    There has to be time before the big bang, where that time was is up for debate.

  • ?
    Lv 6
    10 years ago

    Considering time to be a measure of distance is *one* way to describe it, but there are other ways. Time can be seen as the cooling of the Universe. The Earth orbiting the Sun is, in its base form, fallout from the progress to the ultimate event which will be when the Universe reaches a constant temperature. If this is the case, then we can see how time would start shortly after the Big Bang event.

    Just thinking....

    Source(s): Catholic
  • 10 years ago

    Time and Space are inexorably tied together. It is Spacetime, or Timespace, take your pick.

    As for the measurement of time as a linear concept, that is based solely on neurological perception of gaining memories and comparing the present moment to the past, and having earnest hope for the future.

    This will likely sound semi-psycho babble, but the present moment is all that exists, all that ever existed, all that ever will exist. Basically, time is not like a river, its like a lake, it doesn't go anywhere, but there is plenty of motion within it, I think one scientist said that it was like a giant pot of boiling chicken soup.

    Stars are formed and die, and the matter moves on to recreate the cycle, but that same matter/energy always existed, and continues to exist.

    Source(s): Theoretical Astrophysics.
  • 10 years ago

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't inflationary theory describe the idea that space constantly expands and that matter moves to fill expanding space?

    I can't tell you where the first matter and energy or the laws of physics came from. I don't think anybody knows that.

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