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Anonymous asked in Politics & GovernmentOther - Politics & Government · 10 years ago

How much more should a neurosurgeon making $250,000/yr. pay in taxes to be considered fair?

The US has a progressive tax code meaning the more you earn the HIGHER percentage of your earnings go to taxes. A neurosurgeon making $250,000/yr. is what Obama considers as being rich, and therefore is in the highest tax bracket. Obama wants the wealthy to "pay their fair share" of taxes and raise the percentage upon people as say this neurosurgeon.

As now that neurosurgeon pays about $100,000/yr. on his/her earnings to the country.

Now, let's take a teamsters union person working as a foreman for the longshoremen He/she makes about $90,000/yr. in earnings but because he/she is in a lower tax bracket pays about $1,350/yr. in taxes to the country.

So, the neurosurgeon has a net {take home} pay of about $150,000. The foreman has a net {take home} pay of about $89,500/yr.

As you can easily see the neurosurgeon pays into the country almost nine times more money than does the foreman. But Obama claims that those earning $250,000/yr. have to pay their fair share of taxes and wants to have such earners pay even more. To have the neurosurgeon and the foreman have about the same net {take home} pay would require Obama raising the tax percentage of the neurosurgeon only by 25%. By raising the doctor's taxes by 25% would then have him/her not pay $100,000/year in taxes but now $175,000/yr. in taxes. This increase now would mean he/she would be paying around eleven times more than the foreman.

The foreman would still be paying $1,375/yr. in taxes but now the neurosurgeon is paying $175,000/yr. in taxes. Now both the neurosurgeon and the foreman are just about making the same net {take home} pay of around $89,500/yr. The "wealth" is now being shared evenly.

But? Do you think it is really fair and will be a benefit to the country in the long run?

Not many people are capable of being a neurosurgeon. It demands that a person has extremely high intelligence, a strong commitment, and skilled hands; all required to be a neurosurgeon. It requires him/her to go to college for 4 years, then go to medical school for another 4 years of very hard demanding study,then requires him/her to be an intern for another 2 years. So, this person needs to spend 10 years of very intense studying that only a few are able to handle. It also leaves that person with a debt of $200,000+. Then if that person is lucky enough to set up a practice he/she needs to pay licensing fees and expensive malpractice insurance. And, as it stands now; will likely earn $250,000/yr. but have to pay round $100,000/yr. in taxes which Obama feels is not "paying his/her fair share of taxes and wants to raise those taxes more in order to "spread the wealth?"

The foreman? To be a teamsters foreman working for the longshoremen likely requires {but not necessarily} a high school diploma and either be lucky or have a connection to get that job.

Almost anyone can be a foreman with the longshoremen. One just needs to watch over his/her workers and oversee they are doing their specified jobs. Very very few have what it takes to be a neurosurgeon. Which one is a greater importance to have in any society?

So,as now one making $250,000/yr.pay, pays around $100,000/yr. in taxes. Collectively those making $250,000+ pay 98% of ALL taxes. Should those people pay even MORE? Aren't they already paying WAY more than their "fair share?" In the long run, for the country's best interests is it wise to make these people pay even MORE? Don't you think that there will not be much incentive to work,study, pay for college and work long hours doing life-saving work? Or, maybe these people will move to another country in which they pay far less in taxes? Couldn't this lead to a shortage of neurosurgeons,engineers,architects,dentists,and other highly needed professionals in this country? Wouldn't this perhaps lead to the foreman having to pay higher taxes because many of the people who earn $250,000+ leave the US and no longer pay 98% of all taxes?

Before you sign on to Obama's plan to further tax the "wealthy" those making $250,000+/yr.while paying around $100,000/yr in taxes, think about it.

So, just how much more should a neurosurgeon making $250,000/yr. be taxed?

btw I don't make nearly $250,000/yr.

Update:

Mom2Max..You need get a better accountant.

And these numbers are quite close to being exact. They are, in the least, in the ballpark figures. During the tax season I fill out people's W2 forms for some extra money.

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  • 10 years ago
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    Taxes are the LOWEST they've been in 50 years by far.

    All of that, and you FAIL due to ignorance.

  • Anonymous
    5 years ago

    I think that, at the very least, taxes on the rich should return to the level they were during the Clinton administration. If we're talking about just personal income tax, this shouldn't cause businesses to outsource jobs, as one person mentioned. And, I also realize that low-income families and individuals, all together, contribute less than the rich. However, I don't think a flat tax would help. Here's my reasoning. Let's just say, for the sake of an example, that the personal income tax system was replaced by a flat tax of 15%. Now, let's take two individuals from very different income brackets. For the sake of simplicity, I'll refer to them as Person A and Person B. Let's also say that they are the sole source of income for a family of four (which I believe, and feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, is about the average size of a household). Also, I will invoke the principle of Ceteris paribus (all other things being equal). After all, there are many factors beside income tax that affect a person's income. Person A lives on an annual salary of $25,000. So, he'd pay $3,750 in taxes. This would leave him with $21,250 to spend on food, utilities, mortgage payments, etc. Person B, on the other hand, has a salary of $250,000. He'd pay $37,500 in taxes and would be left with $212,500 to spend on the same things. Now, even when you consider the fact that Person B would, almost certainly, be paying more toward his house than Person A, it's difficult to dispute the fact that Person A must live with a much tighter belt than Person B, even though they're both paying an equal percentage of their income. So, when people consider the issue, they can't simply go on income by itself. They must also take into account the practical income an individual would be left with. I believe someone else mentioned that many proponents of a flat tax would set a minimum threshold of, say, $20,000. Even then, their tax burden is higher (not numerically, but practically). I'm not saying it's an altogether terrible idea; I'm just pointing out the issues.

  • 10 years ago

    Obama's tax plan (as of now) is to leave the rates pretty much where they are and to add an additional 2 tax tiers. Right now the $90,000 person's federal tax liability is $29,700 (28%). The neurosurgeon at $250,000 falls under the 33% bracket his liability is $82,500.

    The 2011 brackets are for a single filer.

    0-$8500 10%

    8500-34500 15%

    34500-83600 25%

    83600-174400 28%

    174400-379500 33%

    379500+ 35%

    Obamas proposal is similar to this.

    379500-1 million 35%

    1 million-10 million 38%

    10 million+ 42%

    The actual tax rates were just made up to show how it might be.

  • ?
    Lv 6
    10 years ago

    You have completely ignored the Alternative Minimum Tax...these figures go back to 2005, but you'll get the idea...

    The AMT's lack of indexation is widely conceded across the political spectrum as a flaw. In 2005, the Urban-Brookings Tax Policy Center and the US Treasury Department estimated that around 15% of households with incomes between $75,000 and $100,000 must pay the AMT, up from only 2-3% in 2000, with the percentage increasing at high incomes. That percentage is set to increase quickly over the coming years if no change is made such as indexing for inflation. Currently, households with incomes below $75,000 are subject to the AMT only very rarely (and thus most tax advisors do not recommend computing AMT for such households). That is set to change in only a few years, however, if the AMT remains unindexed.

    The median household income in the United States was $44,389 in 2005, and households making over $75,000 per year made up the top quartile of household incomes. Because those are the households generally required to compute the AMT (though only a fraction currently have to pay), some argue that the AMT still hits only the wealthy or the upper middle class. However, some counties, such as Fairfax County, Virginia ($102,460), and some cities, such as San Jose, California ($76,354), have local median incomes that are considerably higher than the national median, and approach or exceed the typical AMT threshold. The cost-of-living index is generally higher in such areas, which leads to families who are "middle class" in that area having to pay the AMT, while in poorer locales with lower costs of living, only the "locally wealthy" pay the AMT. In other words, many who pay the AMT have incomes that would place them among the wealthy when considering the United States as a whole, but who think of themselves as "middle class" because of the cost of living in their locale.

    In your scenario, both would be subject to the AMT, but in all probability only the neurosurgeon would have to pay. If Obama is proposing to start the AMT at people making $250,000 or more, that would be a great thing, as most people subject to this tax, would no longer have to worry about it.

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  • Anonymous
    10 years ago

    it takes way longer that 10 years to become a neurosurgeon....4 years of BS/premed, 4 years of medical school and 4-5 years of internship and residency to become a surgeon, then another 1-2 years to to specialize in neuro surgery

    Source(s): personal knowledge
  • 10 years ago

    Where in the world did you get those numbers?

    A person making 90,000 a year pays more than 1,350 in taxes.

    I don't make close to 90,000 a year and I pay more than your figures state a 90,000 a year earner does.

  • Anonymous
    10 years ago

    Each should pay the same percentage of their wages.

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