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Is taxing the rich really the answer?
Effective Individual Income Tax Rate:
Lowest Quintile: -6.5%
2nd Lowest: -1.0%
Middle Quintile: 3.0%
Fourth Quintile: 6.0%
Highest Quintile: 14.1%
Top 1%: 19.4%
While Buffett's effective tax rate is pretty low, it's average for his tax bracket and quite high compared to the effective tax rate for most of America.
The other issue constantly pointed to is that the rich are abusing the tax code to keep more of their money than the middle class and the poor. Again, not true. According to the CBO:
The top 20% and even the top 1% are the only portion of tax payers who's share of tax liabilities exceed their share of income. It bears repeating - the highest earners in this country pay a share of the tax revenue that exceeds their share of the income revenue. If we applied the overused pie example: The top 1% are putting in more ingredients while the bottom 80% are eating more than they put in. It is th exact opposite of the what most people claim.
I think it is essential that people move past the empty rhetoric based on massive misconceptions of how our tax code is benefitting both the top 1% and the remainder. Essentially, conversations should begin with the understanding that tax code is benefitting the poor and middle class to a greater extent than it benefits the rich. It should then become obvious that the source of the increasing wealth gap is not a byproduct of the tax code itself but factors within the economy, by which some groups are accessing means of wealth generation that other groups are not. The tax code actually does a better job of distributing that wealth back into the lower quintiles than it is given credit for.
below is a question i answered on "Classes before"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Household_i%E2%80%A6
^^ additional info if you want to see what % exactly you fall into.
http://cbo.gov/ftpdocs/88xx/doc8885/Appe%E2%80%A6
http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/100xx/doc1006%E2%80%A6
The "Elite rich" will only get richer under obama, and he know's this, and the politicans will be fine., the Wage gap, and inequality between incomes will spread even more so. many people with 6 figure incomes but under that of say 200k will fall down the scale and lose money. Those making a little above 200k-250k a little above, say big lawyers, and doctor's or surgeons, or chemical engineers, are essentially being punished. So It's said that we should tax the "elite" rich the 7 + figure incomes more so.
Now my question is why this sounds all fine and dandy, and id prefer that those with 7 figures get taxed more than say my parents who earn a little over 250k. I find this to be fair, but in many way's where do we draw the line?
Thoughts?
@Joe- while i agree
its odd at times. so many american's defend a system that gives them nothing. 99% of americans are not rich. nearly 30% of population is what in poverty or a little above? surely the 1-2% rich in the USA have it better than 99% of people on earth but even so its odd is it not?
It's weird in many way's because most American's keep defending a system and the rich when in reality they will never be close to that much of an income i suppose its the idea that 1 can dream. This is what i find interesting and i am seeing more and more as people realize they never got what they wanted in life or the wealthy they desired they start to turn against "set" system and in turn favor punishing or making those richer people pay more so they can have less to spend.
@Mr american- i do not like obama but he will be re elected.
to much power, i honestly believe in some type of new world order or some crap. Also The American peoples votes are irrelevant and you know this obama just needs the right # of votes from the electoral college and he wins. Popular vote mean's nothing and most american's seem to rather vote for american idol than vote for their Representatives or Senator's.
And All Members of congress have to look out for their families and their best interests first and if voting for obama mean's that you better believe it they will likely do it.
It' easy to critic them from below as we are often in inferior positions but if we where in their shoe's feel people would turn down a deal that benefits them and their family.
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- ?Lv 710 years agoFavorite Answer
I'm confused by your question, you're kind of all over the place it seems.
Look I can do some math:
For 2007, based on the average take-home of:
$76,400
I can say the "total" income is:
76,400 * 100 = $7,640,000
The average income for the top 1% is:
1,319,700
This means that the top 1% account for 1,319,700 / 7,640,000 ~ 17.27 % of the wealth.
Now, first off, of course they pay more than 17.27% of the total amount of taxes (if they didn't then it would be a regressive flat tax, then they would pay the percentage that reflected how much more wealth they made).
Of course, if you look at the top 1%, they only pay ~28% (on the total federal taxes), this means that on average they are only really paying ~28/17 ~ 1.6 times the amount of normal (struggling) Americans.
Look at it this way:
For the top 1%, their average income from 1979 to 2007 went from:
$346,600 to $1,319,700 --> that means it's ~3.8 times as much as in 1979.
Now look at the share of taxes from 1979 to 2007:
15.4% to 28.1% --> 1.824675325
That means that while their average income nearly quadrupled, they only payed twice as much taxes...basically their tax burden (as a percentage of the total) grew HALF as fast as their income!
Here is a chart showing, graphically, the share wealth over the years:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/blog/09/04/27/Congra...
Notice what happens when the share of wealth for the top 1% peaks? Notice how the top 1% SKEW the incomes of the top 10% (notice that when they break it down)...look at the second graph and notice that the 1-5% and 5-10% are essentially flat from 1940 onwards, yet if you look at the graph of the top 10% it looks identical (in shape) to that of the top 1% curve in the second graph.
Edit:
And you admit that the gap between the super rich and middle class is growing. If this is the case, then 1 of three things is true:
1. The rich have too much money
2. The poor don't have enough (don't really see how that's different from the above)
3. This is proof of a healthy capitalistic economy.
If 3 is the case (which, in fact, it is), then you must say that if we are to continue having a healthy capitalistic economy then the gap will continue to increase...and increase...and increase, until, eventually the rich have (essentially) infinitely more money than the working middle class.
The funny thing about 3), is that this is exactly what I expect from a capitalistic economy. I have tried to make it as simple as possible, but most people just cannot bring themselves to admit that the system they are so fond of actually makes neither moral sense nor mathematical sense:
There are two things that I expect from a capitalistic economy, the first is easy:
1. Capitalists will constantly gain more money than the working class (i.e. the gap between the working class wages and capitalist wages will increase).
2. Because of 1), the only way to sustain the economy is for inflation to occur. This way, because you are constantly pumping more money into the economy, the capitalist is able to continually grow their wealth.
There's no point in me restating my arguments here, but you can read my other response to see why the above should be obvious to anyone:
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=Aqv5N...
And, btw, you do agree that the gap between the wealthy has been steadily growing AND that inflation has also steadily occurred.
Source(s): after tax take home - http://www.cbo.gov/publications/collections/tax/20... tax shares by income - http://www.cbo.gov/publications/collections/tax/20... - 10 years ago
For the Obama worshipers that believe Buffet pays less "INCOME TAX" than his secretary are in an uninformed coma ! The Obama lie about this false statement he claims is the fact that Obama has used the figure that Buffet pays on his "CAPITAL GAINS TAXES" , not on his "INCOME TAX" . SInce the "CAPITAL GAINS TAX RATE" is lower than the "INCOME TAX RATE" , Obama can lie about them both being the same , and all the Obama`s serfs and lackeys follow blindly into the abyss of bullshit ! Liberals are too lazy to check out the facts of what Obama says , and what Obama does !! You libs want a fair share ? Have at it ! Here`s a "FAIR SHARE" solution for y`all lib boy`s ; why don`t you propose that the 50% of citizens that pay "NO INCOME TAXES" be required to pay 5% ; Where`s their "FAIR SHARE" ???? Multiply that out by appx. 75 million citizens and see what you come up with for an positive increase to the US Treasury !!!
- Anonymous5 years ago
The elite rich will only get richer under............... really? Seems unfair, they got filthy rich under Dub? How could they use more money now? I believe when the wealthiest Americans come out and say, hey, we need to pay a higher percentage of our income for taxes, even the less astute in our great nationa should say hmmmm............ maybe we should raise their tax rate a bit to at least help out. It may not pay us out of debt, but, every bit helps?
- ?Lv 510 years ago
>>Those making a little above 200k-250k a little above, say big lawyers, and doctor's or surgeons, or chemical engineers, are essentially being punished.<<
Agreed. It's a joke that these people are considered "rich." They tend to be highly educated professionals with six-figure student debt. Do we really want to discourage people from becoming doctors and scientists?
These statistics regarding medical school graduates are from the Association of American Medical Colleges:
$157,944 – Average educational debt of indebted graduates of the class of 2010.
78 percent of graduates have debt of at least $100,000.
42 precent of graduates have debt of at least $150,000.
85 percent of graduating medical students carry outstanding loans.
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- 10 years ago
It is, under Clinton, who raised taxes on the rich, 22.7 million jobs were created in America. Bush lowered taxes on the rich, and only 1.08 million jobs were created, and, if we remove government jobs from that number (as, according to many republicans, they are not real jobs), the country actually LOST 653,000 jobs under Bush. You can draw your own conclusions from this, but I think it is fairly obvious: when we regulated the economy and increased taxes we created jobs, when we removed those regulations and lowered taxes we lost jobs.
- CantankerousLv 710 years ago
Those numbers are CRAP. They exclude many taxes and are all massaged to make the rich look like they pay huge amounts more taxes than everyone else.
You cut and pasted from a very sloppy writer who had a lot of fun with creative math.
Do those numbers include payroll taxes ? NO.
Do those numbers even consider the massive amount of assets the person has? NO
Do those numbers include sales tax which the poor pay on almost 100% of their income? NO
- ?Lv 710 years ago
No taxing everyone the same is the answer. Rich, middle or poor, one rate, no exemptions and no exceptions. Then we can stop having this fight and hating one another and move on.
- Anonymous10 years ago
The rich pay allot of taxes because you get taxed on what you make so sense it is done that way there is no reason to tax rich people more.
- Anonymous10 years ago
Ending all tax loopholes is the answer . The Simpson / Bowles Plan has it all spelled out 67 pages .
- Anonymous10 years ago
In simple terms; Ask your boss for a raise in this Economy...
In Jan. of 2013 Do the same; Results are all that matters.
Obama is done for; American's aren't stupid; just Yahoo!Liberals.