Treat Training questions....?

1. no because i don't train with treats

2. no

3. no, i think treat training is wrong ... i don't want my dog to listen to me just because i have food ...

i have a new puppy who i have been taking to puppy kindergarten ... the trainer does not use treats for the training of basic commands such as sit, stay, heel, etc., but she does use treats for trick training which is fine ... it drives me crazy dogs that do not listen ... i was at the dog beach once where my dog was being filmed doing frisbee and there is one fool in the background calling her dogs name (i counted) 27 times before the dog allowed her near it ... and she gave the dog a treat when it did come to her ...

In most cases, my dogs listen when called, but I'd be a liar to say there was never a distraction that needed repeat. However, I think your question and description indicate a mis-use of treat training. If I had to recall a dog, I would never reward with a treat for coming after more than the first call. Also, I only used treats to start training and gradually mixed it with praise and then praise only, so the dog park experience you described would not be rewarded with a treat upon even the first call return. Instead it would be praise and maybe tossing a favorite toy. I've seen dogs trained any number of ways that don't respond to first commands and normally, I'm guessing that is lack of consistent training and reinforcement. Also, some dog owners just don't care if their dog listens on the first command or not. I doubt lack of response is solely related to type of training because even when treats are used for training, I am not aware of it being based solely upon reward with treat and if it was, then the dog would not get a reward of a treat after ignoring the command until after repeated attempts.

1) I NEVER repeat a command at any stage of training.

2) Again, I NEVER repeat a command. My dogs were trained on long line until reliable so they could be reeled in if they ignored a recall command. They were not allowed off lead until they came 100% of the time when called. In my house, come means come NOW.

3) Treats are a reward that can be good to incorporate into training, and they should be phased out during training as commands are taught and proofed. Obedience should never be conditional upon receiving a treat. They can also be substituted out with any other reward- be it simple praise, a toy, play, etc. They should not be the only thing used to train the dog, they are merely a tool. I do not use painful or uncomfortable physical corrections with my dogs, and both are some of the best behaved dogs I have ever met. The people you have met in dog parks who have disobedient dogs are irresponsible dog owners plain and simple. They are in EVERY school of training. I see people here call and call and call the dog, and then beat the snot out of them when they do come for ignoring them. You can't tell me that's treat training!

1. No. I reward with treats, I don't bribe.

2. No. I don't repeat commands. If they were off leash, and didn't come when I called, then I haven't trained well enough.

Food is a powerful training tool. However, too many people use it incorrectly. The majority doesn't switch from lure to reward, and treat like pez dispensers, instead of variably rewarding compliance, or phasing out altogether.

My dog is not 100% trained on the recall, so i don't let him off. He runs around everywhere, and if he saw something he found more interesting he would just completely ignore me. That, coupled with his questionable temperament with other dogs, means it's safer all round just to keep him on the lead at all times.

They do say you should reward the dog whenever it comes back, as it reinforces the fact that it should. But like i said, if you don't have it under control, you should keep it on the lead

i've had to repeat commands more than once and i still give my dog the treat. i won't let my dog off the leash unless i'm taking her swimming at the creek or in a fenced in ball field. if my dog saw something she would take off and i'm not 100% sure she would turn around and come back to me right away. if she got hit by a car i would never forgive myself

1) yes

2) yes

3) They will learn over time (with the treat) that doing these commands is a good thing to THEM, so it will help in any situation that you need to get your dog under control, at a dog park is it difficult with ANY owner to get control of their dog, hence they get hyped up with playing with other dogs, think of it as how would a kid respond to you telling them play time is over? they will ignore you...dogs turn right back into being puppies while at play time.