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What evidence to denialists have that global warming is just a conspiracy?
Some problems with denialist conspiracy theories
1. The science of AGW goes back over a century. John Tyndall and Svante Arrhenius had zero interest in new taxes.
2. When governments order experts to create a crisis to frighten people into accepting taxes, they implement the taxes within a few days after the reports are published.
3. Most governments are lukewarm or hostile to AGW
a. Canada and Spain never took AGW seriously, even though they did sign the Kyoto Accord.
b. Germany is abandoning nuclear power.
c. The Republicans in the U. S. are treating climatologists like criminals.
4. A changing political climate, no pun intended would lead to scientists who can and have been bought to follow new opportunities to make money. Most climatologists are steadfast in continuing to support AGW, even though politics no longer favors AGW, if it ever did.
5. If James Hansen had been bought, he would be have been kissing Dubya's bum, rather than resisting him.
JimZ goes on a rant about the Piltdown Man and the War of the Worlds. OK! Mister Zedd, I will let you play Asker.
In November 1953, the Piltdown Man was revealed to have the skull of a medieval human, the lower jaw of a 500 year old orangutan and the teeth of a chimpanzee.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piltdown_Man
The 1938 Orson Welles broadcast was not even an intentional hoax. It was a radio broadcast which was made in the form of news bulletins which some people thought was real.
Mike L
If Exxon can not buy James Hansen by writing a $1 billion check, I doubt that Maurice Strong could meet Dr. Hansen's price, either.
Most of what Caliserv says is unlinked. Which means that what he says is either things that he made up or well known denialist crocks. To respond to such claims
http://www.skepticalscience.com/argument.php
I will respond to his links
1. c3headlines.com is just a denialist blog.
2. The mdpi.com link
a. Provides no actual evidence of a conspiracy, at least not in the abstract
b. Makes an incorrect claim that feedbacks are negative, contrary to the evidence
http://www.skepticalscience.com/climate-sensitivit...
http://www.skepticalscience.com/roy-spencer-negati...
c. Supports geoengineering, not as a last resort to stop rising sea levels, but as a means to keep driving SUVs and to continue to lose our heads when the toilets back up at nuclear power plants.
i. Geoengineering requires accurate climate models. I thought that climate skeptics did not believe in climate models. It could make the Earth too cold.
ii. A popular geoengine
ii. A popular geoengineering proposal, to put SO2 into the atmosphere, will add to acid rain and will compound ocean acidification.
iii. Geoengineering does nothing to prepare us for when fossil fuels run out.
3. Freerepublic.com dose make some points about the Doran survey, but it is not a smoking gun.
4. blogs.telegraph.co.uk si full of Harold Lewis' ad hominem attacks against Michael Mann, Phil JOnes and the committees which absolved them of wrongdoing.
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17 Answers
- spikeychrisLv 49 years agoFavorite Answer
The quick answer is they have no evidence because there is no evidence to support it being a giant conspiracy. That said it doesn't mean that can't invent their own evidence or just make up scandles (cough cough climategate 2.0 cough cough).
I also find it ironic that people posting on here like JimZ who claim to be scientists cannot attack the science behind global warming theory but can only come up with pointless anecdotes that don't actually answer the question. If you can come up with a scientific ground for disproving the enormous amount of data that supports AGW then give it now?
edit:@"You can tell the person posing the question is bsing when it's this long. If you have to try that hard, you're on the wrong path bud. As far as what evidence...allow me to refresh your memory. Remember this thing called climate-gate? The very people you are worshiping admitted to manufacturing false data. I also keep a close eye on the environment, as I live in an area prone to hurricanes. I follow the info on the NHC's website and stay up on it. According to them, it's a hoax. They're using scientific data, not political logic to reach that conclusion."
So the OP is bsing by asking a question with a whopping 11 sentences originally? Wow the length of that question is just too much therefore global warming doesn't exist! Climate gate you mean the storm in a tea cup over a few words in an email taken out of context of the rest of the emails spun by the media into a story and all those involved being cleared by several different enquires. Yeah that totally disproves global warming science.
And the National Hurricane centre says that global warming is a hoax? And you are getting this from...?
- MoeLv 69 years ago
the science is flawed the understanding of how our climate functions is not nearly understood enough to come to the conclusions made. i can understand studying the climate and trying to gain a greater understanding of how everything works but I don't find the evidence supportive of the conclusion that the climate is getting worse or that it's all happening at an "unprecedented" rate.
trying to push a plan to fix a problem that doesn't exist is simply ridiculous. A hoax, a conspiracy? No, just ignorant.
- Anonymous4 years ago
worldwide warming is an entire scam. Algore is a moron that makes use of over $10K consistent with month in ability working each and all of the air conditioners at his 15 room mansion Al gore has a fleet of Lincoln Towncars that get under 12 MPG Al gore has a private jet by way of fact he, like our speaker of the abode, and prefer Dian Feinstien, are too sturdy to fly commercial with the "little human beings" the main well-liked year on checklist maintains to be 1934, that's the reason the hysterical socialists (that want to place all US business enterprise out of business enterprise with punitive rules) now call it "climate exchange" this manner they are in a position to nonetheless cry hysterically even nonetheless the planet has been cooling for the reason that 1934. The climate has been changing by way of fact the worldwide exchange into created, and its not led to by Al Gors jets or Arnold's Hummer !
- arc_angel_1972Lv 59 years ago
You can tell the person posing the question is bsing when it's this long. If you have to try that hard, you're on the wrong path bud. As far as what evidence...allow me to refresh your memory. Remember this thing called climate-gate? The very people you are worshiping admitted to manufacturing false data. I also keep a close eye on the environment, as I live in an area prone to hurricanes. I follow the info on the NHC's website and stay up on it. According to them, it's a hoax. They're using scientific data, not political logic to reach that conclusion.
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- ?Lv 79 years ago
The overwhelming evidence for both environmentalism and man-made Global Warming being scams --- is the players.
The players promoting it:
1) Democrats
2) The U.N.
3) Leftist Media
4) Leftist activists
This is the team that is always selling a hoax. The man that knows about politics is able to spot this immediately WITHOUT knowing a single thing about the 'science.'
Now have a look at what the proposed 'solutions' are to these alleged problems. The proposed 'solutions' are always the same --- destroy liberty, increase taxes, undermine property rights, promote socialism/collectivism.
You can catch them in lies time and time again, catch them manipulating data, show all of their predictions to be false ---- NONE OF THIS MATTERS, THE 'SOLUTION' NEVER CHANGES. The Leftist media never seriously condemns it.
The man that knows political maneuvers to promote Leftist ideas can spot this from a mile away, it also has an unmistakable stench.
And then there is the 'science' of man-made Global Warming that falls utterly flat. But this is secondary to the first evidence above.
Green is the new Red. That's one of the most obvious truths of our day.
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- DavidLv 79 years ago
Unsurprisingly, you got a bunch of non-answers.
It's really astonishing how little evidence it took these "skeptics" to whole-heatedly buy into the idea that there is a scientific hoax occurring on an unimaginably massive scale. That there is a conspiracy going on spanning decades and thousands of researchers--all to further the perverse political and financial goals of some uncertain group of elites--would seem by any logic to be far less likely, far more extraordinary, and far more alarmist of a hypothesis than anything that has ever come out of the IPCC.
The strength of a claim should be proportional to the strength of its evidence. Unless, apparently, that claim happens to be a conspiracy theory, in which case for some reason it's acceptable to believe any wild and crazy thing you wish on nothing more than speculative evidence. Don't ask them for evidence. Conspiracy theorists have the laziest minds in the world. They believe what they want, they can propose any crazy new idea that they like and not feel they should be accountable to them because they were only "asking questions". And when any fact is presented to them that falls outside of their neat little conspiracy toybox, they can just automatically and thoughtlessly wave it away as being 'just another lie.'
Not only has the hypothesis of the AGW conspiracy been met with pitifully weak evidence, there is no real demand for such an extraordinary hoax to have been created in the first place. It's not like the world has ever been suffering for lack of problems. Anyone who reads the news could easily rattle off 20 legitimate concerns that any government could take advantage of as an excuse to increase taxes. An abundance of supply of threats would hardly lead to the enormous demand that would be required to even *want* to fabricate such a massive hoax, let alone actually be able to pull it off.
- Anonymous9 years ago
Ask Maurice Strong He is in China hiding out . He was involved in the Iraq Food for oil
scandal He cleaned up .
He probably bought Jim Hansen and the others to cook the books for his One World
Government , Currency and Bank.
- zipperLv 79 years ago
They just refuse to believe. After all this world has had 5 to 7 ice ages so is this not the preconditions needed for a ice age in the making?
- Elmer98Lv 79 years ago
conspiracy theories don't need evidence, only made up stories. Many still believe the moon landings were faked. No amount of evidence works.
Try it on Christians about Jesus or virgin mother, let alone the world created in 6 days. Sometimes, evidence is pointless.
- ?Lv 79 years ago
What evidence do we have that Piltdown Mann really didn't exist and its hoax is just a conspiracy among the Piltdown haters out there?
How do we know there really wasn't an invasion of Martians in 1938 and that the War of the Worlds wasn't an actual newscast? Are they just anti-Martian conspirator nuts out there? I heard from impeccable sources that Democrat politicians have been interrogating Martians like they were criminals and I have heard that they even water-boarded them. Barney Frank did even worse things. The Martians pleaded to any Republicans but Dubya was at his ranch. It is sad but true chapter in our Martian relationships.
At least my story has some resemblance to reality.