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this is kind of a second posting, but not exactly.....?

my current posting tells a short story, and asks a few questions. in one of the engineers responses, "Andy's" particularly, he mentions waving a flag (or other ornament) is a signal to the engineer to stop. i didnt know this. i have seen video from 100 years ago where track crews would step aside when a train approached, pull out a white rag (presumably their hankys) and wave them fervently until the engineer of said approaching train sounded his whistle in recognition of "seeing" the crew on the ground. very smart and sound idea!

now, in my other posting my intent was not to stop the train, yet have them proceed at a caution. there was no emminant danger as the deputy and I had the crossing protected (trying to keep Amtrak and CSX happy too here). i didnt wave my towel, yet displayed it broadfaced towards the train. my intent was for the engineer to see a "yellow". i had no idea if he had been prewarned by radio and had to go under the premise he hadnt!

Andy says wave it, they stop. can we have some clarification here as to should we wave or not? does color mean anything in this type of situation or any other situation? i would hope anything red would instantly trigger the " i gotta stop" response from the engineer. and you have to know if i needed that train to stop because of danger, i would have done way more than displayed a yellow towel. id be kicking screaming yelling throwing ballast at the car body. heck id get the officer to fire a few rounds in the air if i thought something bad was definately gonna happen.

though, like my other posting, this wasnt the case. only a cautionary proceed was needed. it worked out that way anyways. i agree, there should be contingency plans already inplace between railroads, crews, and local authorities. but what of the common man? certainly we could instill a universal guidline for simple emergency communication from the ground to the crew. SOS seems to have worked well over the years.

not being a member of a railcrew it is had to imagine what would trigger an instant response if danger was present to alert an unknowing crew. especially one with passengers. im not giving any lesser creedence to a train carrying propane or styrene lol. and not just serius emergencys, what of just "hey i was just railfanning up the tracks and saw some deer on them.", you know just a simple keeps your eyes peeled theres something on the tracks ahead.

any ideas?

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  • Andy
    Lv 7
    9 years ago
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    5.3.4: Signal to Stop

    ANY OBJECT WAVED VIOLENTLY BY ANY PERSON ON OR NEAR THE TRACK IS A SIGNAL TO STOP.

    That's the rule right out of the GCOR.It doesn't mention whether it has to be a flag or not.Just any object(such as a towel).But for sure if we get a red flag waved at us we're going to stop!At least i know i am!

    Edit Just a thought here.As much as i hate hitting anything(even mice and rats) i'm going to be pissed off if someone waves something at me and i hit the brakes only to find out there was deer on the tracks.Anytime you hit the brakes you run the risk of the train going into emergency which can cause a derailment.So i would hope that anyone that decides they need to flag a train down does it only for a true emergency because doing so could cause bad things to happen.It would really suck to cause a derailment that caused a hazmat spill that could possibly kill a bunch of people.

    Source(s): UPRR engineer
  • ?
    Lv 6
    9 years ago

    I believe that I was one of those that provided an answer to your initial query, but for further information on British practise, the Rule Book states that a train can be stopped in emergency situations by exhibiting the standard 'Stop' hand signal (both arms held up above the head), or waving the arms (or any other suitable object) violently. By night, a red light, or any other white or coloured light waved violently has the same meaning to the driver/engineer.

    In day-to-day practise, any experienced engineer will respond to any unusual 'signal' - the golden rule for me was always 'if in doubt, STOP! Ask questions later'. I had an instance of this myself when, one night, and out in the countryside away from any other lights, I rounded a bend to see a plain, stationary white light ahead, seemingly right in front of me where there wasn't one normally. I immediately 'slammed on the anchors' and blew the horn, and stopped short of the light. It turned out that there were a couple of track workers carrying out a minor urgent repair at this spot. They had moved clear when they heard the train coming, but had left one of their hand-lamps between the rails, facing the on-coming traffic. They got 'the thick edge' of my tongue, and they were lucky that I did not report the incident!

    Source(s): Retired UK Train Driver. lifetime of interest
  • Anonymous
    9 years ago

    GCOR (genral code of operating rules) states that "any object waved violently on or near the tracks must be regarded as a stop signal"

    Source(s): RR engineer
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