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? asked in Politics & GovernmentPolitics · 9 years ago

Did Affirmative Action for Blacks / Hispanics prevent White race Abigail Fisher from get into a Texas college?

I do not think that Affirmative Action as practiced at UT prevented Abigail Fisher from getting admission. I feel she did not get admission because she had no business attending a State Flagship University such as UT Austin. She had a sub par SAT score of 1180. She was not in the top 10% of her class. So what business did she have to expect admission at a top National level school such as UT?

It seems to me that Whites in Texas are a minority in the population, but a majority among weak students (at the bottom of the SAT range) admitted at UT Austin. This suggests, if anything, that White Racism is still practiced at UT Austin not Affirmative Action. Given these facts, if the Supreme Court repeals Affirmative Action the backlash is going to be huge. What do you think? Have I misunderstood something in this case? Thanks.

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It is a straight up merit based top 10% admitted at UT for the first 6,000 out of a total of 7,000 accepted at UT. The last 1,000 are accepted holistically in which factors such as race, sex, legacy, athletic ability, extra curricular activites and other academic qualifications such as high SAT scores etc are considered. Do you expect race based admissions should end before legacy and sex based admissions?

Also, I am not sure we can exclude knowledge of race from the admission process unless we expect universities to not interview applicants and ban essays in which students disclose their race. It does not seem practical. In an ideal world I agree race should not be a factor, but in a country where race has been a historical player in how money and resources are distributed, mostly in the hands of people who belong to one race, with the help of past racist laws and that people in America, still attend churches and socialize along racial lines, I doubt a reasonable person would think

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commonsense, It is a straight up merit based top 10% admitted at UT for the first 6,000 out of a total of 7,000 accepted at UT. The last 1,000 are accepted holistically in which factors such as race, sex, legacy, athletic ability, extra curricular activites and other academic qualifications such as high SAT scores etc are considered. Do you expect race based admissions should end before legacy and sex based admissions?

Also, I am not sure we can exclude knowledge of race from the admission process unless we expect universities to not interview applicants and ban essays in which students disclose their race. It does not seem practical. In an ideal world I agree race should not be a factor, but in a country where race has been a historical player in how money and resources are distributed, mostly in the hands of people who belong to one race, with the help of past racist laws and that people in America, still attend churches and socialize along racial lines, I doubt a reasonable person

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Common Sense, It is a straight up merit based top 10% admitted at UT for the first 6,000 out of a total of 7,000 accepted at UT. The last 1,000 are accepted holistically in which factors such as race, sex, legacy, athletic ability, extra curricular activities and other academic qualifications such as high SAT scores etc are considered.

I am not sure we can exclude knowledge of race from the admission process unless we expect universities to not interview applicants and ban essays in which students disclose their race. It does not seem practical. In an ideal world I agree race should not be a factor, but in a country where race has been a historical player in how money and resources are distributed, the role of racist laws in that distribution and that people in America still attend churches and socialize along racial lines, I doubt a university would not want to consider the role of race in an applicant's life.

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Je veux medical advice, The remaining 1000 are admitted on merit - holistically. Adcoms are sometimes looking for Black or Hispanic kids with higher academic potential than their scores suggest due to the influence of poor schools, counselors, family conditions, church and other institutions in his/ her world before college. In essense, the Adcom is looking for Black and Hispanic kids who have the potential to score higher on the GRE than the suburban white kid who may have a slightly higher SAT after four years of equal opportunity in college. In holistic admission race is just one factor and it does not equally help every Black or Hispanic. In other words they do not all get 50 extra points for being Black or keep admitting minorities until they meet some quota. This is obviously how race is being factored in at UT otherwise, UT would not be admitting more Whites with low SAT scores than Hispanics and Blacks. It is not like there is a shortage of underachieving Blacks and Hispani

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  • Anonymous
    9 years ago
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    She failed to qualify. In 2004, for example, 422 Black students with LSAT scores of 150 or more were denied admission to ALL (as in 100%) of the ABA-accredited schools to which they applied. Yet unlike Fisher, Grutter or Gratz, these Black students did not feel entitled to bring law suits against the schools which rejected them.

  • 5 years ago

    nicely, i might think of that socioeconomic is greater helpful than race through fact being undesirable is the actual handicap. regrettably, racial discrimination nonetheless exists and we could decide for the present affirmative action. the different problem with affirmative action is that, in my opinion, does not create equality in any respect. And is arbitrary too. i might ideally decide for some thing that reward actual potential and not race or how plenty funds you had. we don't stay in an suitable international however.

  • Anonymous
    9 years ago

    Not everyone at UT was a "Top 10% student" at their high school. Why should it not be based on merit for those students who are from outside the "Top 10%" too?

  • 9 years ago

    If we could hide people's race and names from the admissions office, we could keep them from discriminating against any race. Then we won't have any complaints from any race.

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  • Anonymous
    9 years ago

    If they ask you what race you are then the only logical conclusion is that they want to descriminate against someone.

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