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Is God a necessary being?
This question falls into an area of modal logic ie modal logic describes the relationship between what is necessary and what is contingent or possible and what is impossible. Or what has to exist necessarily or self existent or what exist contingently ie is possible but not necessarily so.
One way to do this logically is to imagine multiple possible worlds ie you have the actual world/universe and then what the universe could have possibly been given different circumstances.
A thing or being or truth that exists necessarily is something that exists in all possible worlds including the actual world. It requires no further explanation because there is no logical/coherent way of imagining it as anything else. For example the equation 2 + 2 =4 is something we would not attempt to explain further because it is more plausible to assume it could not possibly be something else. That is, it is true in all possible worlds.
A thing or being that exists contingently may possible exist or not exist in some possible world ie my friend John exists in this world, but does not exist in all possible worlds ie I can imagine a possible world whereby given different circumstances John would not exist. I can therefore reasonably ask "where did John come from?" or "How is John here?"
So we could formulate an argument with a starting proposition
"If John exist, he exists as a necessary being."
To pull down the premise I would simply have to provide a logically coherent example of a possible world where John does not exist. I could say for example, "If John's parents had never met then John would not exist. Therefore John is not a necessary being because he does not exist in all possible worlds.
Or I could start with the proposition
"If 2 + 2 = 4 is true then it is necessarily true (ie true in all possible worlds).
To pull down the argument I might say, perhaps there is a possible world where the laws of mathematics are different ie if the starting conditions at the big bang messed up the maths somehow.
The one making the premise could then logically ask you, "then why is 2 + 2 = 4 true in the actual world?" And if a plausible coherent explanation could not be provided, then it would stand as true that 2 + 2 = 4 is more plausibly understood as a necessary truth ie true in all possible worlds.
So we then apply that to the question about how God is possible and I will put forward the proposition
"If God exist, He exists as a necessary being."
It would be up to you then to describe coherently a possible world where God did not exist. If you succeeded you could then logically ask yourself question ie "how could God exist?" If not then the answer would be the same as for the question how is 2 + 2 = 4. Because it is necessarily - ie there is no logically coherent alternative.
Because God by definition is a necessary being the atheist cannot simply deny God's existence on the basis of lack of evidence. To deny God and remain logically coherent he must demonstrate why God cannot exist in ANY possible world(to do so only requires he can imagine one possible world where God does not exist).
Otherwise it stands as more plausible that God exists rather than not.
@ J - Irrelevant to what? God's existence? Except the question is specifically about God's existence so how is it irrelevant?
Xaerreau - I agree. Therefore one can say either God must exist or God cannot possible exist. But one cannot say God "might" exist - that would be no different to saying God exists as "might" suggests there is a possible world in which God exists - and the only way that would be possible with a maximally great being is if He exists in all possible worlds. This is why when Atheists postulate things like "you can't prove a negative" - apart from being outright nonsense, would simply prove that there is no way to coherently say God does not exist in any possible world - thereby proving that it is more plausible that God does in fact exist.
@Joanna - I'm using the word "necessary" as it is used in modal logic - ie something exists in all possible worlds. I'm not using it here to mean that we have a perso
@Joanna - I'm using the word "necessary" as it is used in modal logic - ie something exists in all possible worlds. I'm not using it here to mean that we have a personal need/requirement/longing for God
@ godless - I didn't define God specifically because I assumed most would know exactly who I was referring to. You proved my assumption true by leaving the "God" I was referring to last in your options and then attempting to pull that specific definition down.
Now of all the metaphysical beings you mentioned only ONE is by definition a necessary being. Therefore you quite rightly can site lack of evidence for the rest as sufficient reason for rejecting them as they are all contingent beings. We are not examining contingent beings. We are examining the logical coherency of a necessary being.
So, to reject the God we both already know is the topic of this question, then it is not sufficient to simply site lack of evidence to prove the incoherency of such a being. Lack of evidence would simply mean we do not know if a necessary being exists - which is the same thing as saying that such a being could possible exist ie it exists in at least one possible world. Except if suc
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- ?Lv 79 years agoFavorite Answer
Have you been hanging out with WL Craig?
First, you didn't even define "God." so, let's try substituting:
Thor
Quetzalcoat
Shiva
Magic invisible being
omnipotent, omniscient, and omnibenevolent being with free will
The last definition (which is often implicitly used) is internally and externally incongruent, and thus cannot logically exist. An omnipotent and omniscient god with free will can't exist, because it could not both know the future and change it. An omnipotent and omnibenevolent god can't exist and allow the true horrors that occur to sentient beings.
There's no reliable evidence for God/Yahweh, Jesus, Allah, Zeus, Odin, Quetzalcoatl, Vishnu, Thor, Shiva, or any of the thousands of other gods that people have worshiped. If any of the major gods existed, there would be reliable evidence. Since no such evidence exists, these gods do not exist. There's also extensive evidence that they are all just myths, created to help soothe our fear of death, and perpetuated through religion to subjugate the underclass into obedience.
Science has shown that there's no need for gods to explain the traditional reasons for a god -- origin of the universe, origin of life, origin of species, origin of humans, origin of morality. Science also shows us the psychological reasons that people believe in god(s). See the 1st link for the video, "Andy Thomson: Why We Believe in Gods" or buy his book at the 2nd link.
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In my opinion, God isn't necessary. However, God stands for a supreme being/concept, and that is necessary to prevent humans from falling into Megalomania. Believing in something bigger than ourselves is necessary.
God fulfilled that necessity thousands of years ago, when we didn't know anything about our ourselves, our world and the Universe. Somehow, that primal entity found a way to thrive in the minds of people until now.
I believe God isn't necessary to fulfill the need for something bigger anymore. We have science of all kinds, we understand that however powerful we are, we depend on the "decisions" of a higher power called Universe. It can send a rock flying into Earth, it can change our atmosphere, it can affect our planet so it destroys itself.
I hope this was of any help =)
- XaurreauXLv 79 years ago
An omniscient, omnipresent, omnipotent, perfect, eternal absolute precludes creation.
- JLv 79 years ago
No question could be more irrelevant.
God is.
Whether or not you determine that fact to be necessary or not . . . ultimately you will have to deal with its reality.
. . . Or I guess you can be an atheist.