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Find quadratic polynom?

Let u > v > w are roots of cubic equation x^3 - 3x + 1 = 0.

Find such quadratic polynom Q(x), that Q(u) = v, Q(v) = w and Q(w) = u.

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Update:

Edit.

Hi John:

u = 2cos 40° = 1.532088886

v = 2cos80° = 0.347296355

w = -2cos20° = -1.879385242

It’s fine, wolframalpha says the same :-)

Q(x)=-0.397422994x² - 0.790727208x + 0.264948663

Q(u)=-0.397422994(1.532088886)² - 0.790727208(1.532088886) + 0.264948663 = -1.879385249

Q(v)=-0.397422994(0.347296355)² - 0.790727208(0.347296355) + 0.264948663 = -0.057603092

Q(w)=-0.397422994(-1.879385242)² - 0.790727208(-1.879385242) + 0.264948663 = 0.347296367

But

-1.879385249 ≠ 0.347296355

-0.057603092 ≠ -1.879385242

0.347296367 ≠ 1.532088886

:-(((

So we have to find another Q(x). Let us hope it will have integer coefficients.

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  • Anonymous
    9 years ago
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    Q(x)=-0.397422994x² - 0.790727208x + 0.264948663.

    The roots of the cubic (I found them by Cardano's method)

    are u = 2cos 40°, v = 2cos80°, w = -2cos20° (u>v>w).

    I got 3 equations in the 3 unknowns a, b, c (where Q(x) =

    ax² +bx +c) and the answer

    by heavy, numerical algebra (done by hand with a pocket

    calculator, as I haven't got a software package, like Mathlab,

    etc to assist me). I tried keeping the trig forms but found the

    algebra even messier than

    with numbers. No doubt keeping the trig forms simplifies

    somewhat, and keeping the answers in trig form does give you

    the exact solution. If you want to go down this road, I've given

    you enough information to carry on. BTW, I've found c=-2a/3

    by using the theory of eqns (sum of roots, product of roots, etc)

    on the cubic.

    My quadratic is clearly wrong. I should have checked it, like you did.

    After going through all that number work I didn't have the will to

    do any more of the same. Your hint that the quadratic has integer

    coefficients is the best news I've had today. I might have a crack at

    it later on. [I am partially sighed, and my eye tires quickly].

    Hi Oregfiu,

    Your belief that Q(x) has integer coefficients gave me courage to

    tackle this using the exact trig forms, and it paid off. It was rather

    easier than I expected.

    Q(u)=v, Q(v)=w, Q(w)=u give (after simplifying):

    asin40+bsin20=cos50=sin40

    asin80-bcos50=cos10=sin80

    By inspection these equations are satisfied by

    a=1, b=0. So Q(x)=x² - 2. [c=-2a; to get this I

    evaluated ∑u² =6, using the theory of eqns on

    the cubic. If you want details post a note and I'll

    fill you in].

    Regards, John

  • 9 years ago

    I guess this is cheating but... call x = 2 cos t.

    Then 8 cos^3 t - 6 cos t + 1 =0 <===> cos(3t) = -1/2.

    So t = 2pi/9, 4pi/9 or 8 pi/9.

    notice that cos 16 pi/ 9 = cos 2 pi/9, so that t ---> 2t gives a circular correspondance.

    Starting from P( cos t) = cos 2t for P = 2X^2 - 1, you can find Q.

    Set cos t = u/2 so that P(cos(t)) = v / 2.

    Then 2(u/2)^2 - 1 = v/2 or u^2 - 2 = v^2. Same for (v,w) and (w,u). So Q(x) = x^2 - 2

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