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Divapom asked in PetsDogs · 9 years ago

dog agressive dog and AKC show question?

This past weeken at an AKC show at the obedience ring a Dobeman broke loose from its handler, pulling her to the ground in the process, and viciously attacked a silkie that was waiting to go in the ring. The silkie was severely injured. This doberman is a Champion and was scheduled to show in the opedience ring. It is also reported that this doberman is known for going after other dogs. In paticular male dogs and not just small dogs.

What do you think the sanctions should be against this owner. Someone had mentioned that if the incident had happened in the breed ring, then the dog would have been stripped of it's CH title, but since it happened outside the obedience ring it would not. Is this true?

Since the dog has a history of dog aggression do you think this woman should have her AKC privlidges revoked? Taking into consideration that this dog would have been required as part of the competition to be off leash performing groups. And the owner knows her dog has sever dog agression. There is a inter club obedience competition coming up in a couple of weeks and it is rumered that this dog is entered. My club is checking it out. This is not an AKC sactioned event, but is run with AKC rules. If this dog is entered my club wants it's entry revoked. If the dog is going to be there some of my club's team will not go due to the danger to their dogs. What are your opinions? And especially AKC rules regarding this. If there is a difference between agression in the breed ring and aggression at the obedience ring as far as sanctions against the dog. And what you think about this woman bringing her vicious dog to compete in obedience or even to the show at all?

Update:

Peace Love Rescue: I must disagree with you. It is completely fair to not allow dog agressive dogs to compete. What is not fair is to put other dogs at risk. I too compete in agility and know that competitors will work their dogs into "high drive" in close quarters to other dogs. It is not up to the other people to watch out for and make concessions for someone elses dog aggressive dog. It is up to the owner to train that dog to supress those urges and that going after other dogs will result in severe consequences to itself. Just ask Greek or Memphis. That being said, an intelligent owner would not let their dog friendly dog approach, sniff, try to play with or otherwise get into the personal space of another dog. I expect my dog whether dog friendly or dog aggressive to ignore other dogs and focus on me and the task at hand no matter how close another dog is. Anyone without that control should not be at any sort of dog event.

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  • 9 years ago
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    The handler was at fault for failing to read and react to the male Doberman’s body language and general poor control of it. Had they done so it would have been clear it was intensely focused on its target, predict how the dog was likely to react in that situation with another male and stepped in before it acted on its instinct to attack, avoiding injury to the other dog.

    An incident cannot be investigated unless it is reported and that is what should have happened following the dog on dog attack. That said anyone who holds the lead of a male Doberman should be aware of a breed specific trait, male dog on dog aggression that runs strongly in it, be vigilant and confident in their ability to handle the dog in and out the ring.

    I have attended many championship shows with 30 plus male Dobermans in the ring and it is rare for any posturing, eye rolling, growling, air snapping or instigating a fracas to happen because the owners and handlers control their dogs, remain aware of what is going on around them and what their dog is doing.

    According to the AKC rules under Excusals and Disqualifications for conformation, “Dog on dog aggression may in the opinion of the judge necessitate the excusal of one or more dogs involved. Such an incident that result in contact with injury to either dog or person is to be reported to the show chairman and executive field representative immediately, as it must be addressed by the show committee”.

    My adult male Dobermann does have a mid range strength of same sex aggression, but that instinct has been suppressed with consistent training to teach him to control his instinct to assert his position over other male dogs and start a fracas (which is primarily posturing and vocalization, with an air snap if the other dog does back down and calm the situation with submissive behavior).

    He will mind his own business when he encounters other male dogs, but I am always vigilant because although he will not instigate a fight or chase after a dog, neither would he back away if a dog posed a real threat or was disrespectful in its behavior and jumped up or nipped at him.

    From adolescence (typically six months) it is the rule as opposed to the exception that a male Doberman will begin to develop some degree of same sex aggression (male) which is a natural and dominant breed specific trait of the breed and not indicative of a defect in temperament.

  • 9 years ago

    So, in your first sentence, you say this was an AKC show. Then further on, you say this was not an "AKC sanctioned"? So which is it? It will make a difference.

    If this was not an AKC event, be it conformation, obedience, agility or even a A or B Match, then it has nothign to do with the AKC, but with the club that put on the show.

    If there was an attack at an AKC show, then the Silkie owner would need to file a report, there would be a hearing and the offending dog can be banned.

  • Jess38
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    9 years ago

    I haven't competed in AKC obedience yet, but I do compete in AKC agility (among other venues), and it always says in the rules that if there is an incident, such as an attack, there will be a report filed, and the dog would be excused from the rest of that trial, and most likely from competing in AKC permanently in the case of this dog. I don't think AKC can affect trials with other venues, though, so they should still be able to compete in non-AKC events.

    I don't think it's fair in general to tell people that dogs with dog aggression are not allowed to compete. I know tons of dog aggressive dogs competing in agility. These are dogs that are smart, trainable, very friendly to humans, but have some issues with dogs. I know one in particular that has some pretty severe aggression, but his handler is very very careful with him, and makes sure everyone around knows not to let their dogs near him. The problem in your case is that the handler was not careful. She needs to pay attention to her dog and keep him paying attention to her, even when not in the ring. She messed up, and will have to face the consequences.

    AKC is pretty strict on aggression, from my experience. My dog got excused from a run at an agility trial on account of "aggression", because he barked at a pole setter in passing. He's really not aggressive, he's super outgoing and friendly, but he is quite the barker. But, AKC does not take any possible sign of aggression lightly (even if it was just a bark), and we were excused (AKC is the only venue this has happened in, and we compete in 5 different venues, and there's been barking before). My point is, that based on this, I would say that AKC will definitely not take this incident lightly.

  • 9 years ago

    I don't know about AKC rules, but I doubt they're very different from CanKC rules. One of my dogs was attacked in the obedience ring and the judge had the offending dog banned from shows for life. And obedience dogs are excused from the show building if they so much as growl at another dog in Canada. I would think this dog could and should be banned from all AKC show buildings if anyone reported it officially to AKC.

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  • JenVT
    Lv 7
    9 years ago

    They don't strip the dog of their title- they simple ban it from future competitions after 2 reported incidences. Someone who was there needs to file a complaint with the AKC regarding this dog and quite frankly the owner of the silkie should file a complaint with animal control.

  • Anonymous
    9 years ago

    Its the AKC...just send your money for the events you entered and then take your chances with the POS nerve bags that compete in their venues.

    We all know how these OB dogs that compete in AKC are trained, or rather, not trained. I know of a dog that was imported from another country that could not get papered in because of its temperament and was somehow papered here, and was a fear biting douchebag, but, an AKC champion that was going to become the foundation btch of some kennel.

    I dont know what you will do, not sure what you can do, legally or AKC wise...I know what I would do had that been my dog that was attacked.

    Source(s): Realist
  • 9 years ago

    If there are 2 'reported' incidences of unprovoked attacks the AKC can ban the dog, not the handler/owner.

    You say your event will be run by AKC rules, yet you are unfamiliar with them. Howzat work?

  • 5 years ago

    so that you've an untrained mongrel with an volatile temperament and also you want to reveal him because... ? the kind of educate you're bearing on has one purpose: the evaluation of breeding inventory. they're evaluated adverse to the written familiar of the perfect member of the breed - because Bulldogs are literally not Greyhounds and performance a very diverse "perfect". that's why purely purebred canines can take area, on account that a mongrel has no perfect kind and could no longer reliably bypass on features to its offspring - the canines are literally not in accordance with being "wonderful" or on being "incredibly" yet on being suitable. you want to study so a lot extra about canines shows and purebreds... in case you'll favor to reveal your canines, there are quite some competitions available for blended-breed canines. Why no longer seem into obedience, agility, rally, monitoring, fly-ball, dock diving, frisbee or freestyle? the learning instructions help you to the properly thanks to regulate and communicate along with your canines and get him some a lot needed socialization as well.

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