Trinitarians: In what way is - I and the Father are one?

Jurgen, Many christians have read into this statement and tried to implicitly state that this means a trinitarian understanding of God. However, there are many explicit statements which point to the fact that Jesus is is not the same as God. In fact, he is a messenger of God.

Jesus said "I and the Father are one" (John 10:30). The Greek word used for "one" is neuter, as in "one thing" and not "one person." The two are one in essence or nature, but they are not identical persons.

Once you realise there is only the One Being of God, and within this One Being subsist the three persons of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, the Trinity begins to make sense. There is only the One Being of God, not three gods. The Father is not the Son and the Son is not the Father because they are not the same person.

However, they are one in essence or nature, they are one in harmony and purpose, and they work together in perfect unity. Check out the diagram at the end of the link (below) to see the relationship between Father, Son and Holy Spirit (GT):

Two and one are different...

Here is but a small glimpse, which I believe answers this question.

Consider Isaiah 42:8, where GOD said...

I am the LORD; that is my name! I will not give my glory to another or my praise to idols.

Consider John 14:1, where Jesus said...

Do not let your hearts be troubled. Trust in God; trust also in me.

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Now, either Jesus was being blasphemous, or He was again claiming to be God... to those that would hear.

In case you were wondering... yes, "trust" in John 14:1 is the same word in the Greek, both times.

Jesus says that if you trust in God... you ought to put that exact same trust in Him (Jesus). I guess I'll let you "do the math".

... John 14:7-11

“If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also; and from now on you know Him and have seen Him.”

Philip said to Him, “Lord, show us the Father, and it is sufficient for us.”

Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long, and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father in Me? The words that I speak to you I do not speak on My own authority; but the Father who dwells in Me does the works. Believe Me that I am in the Father and the Father in Me, or else believe Me for the sake of the works themselves.

One in nature. One in equality.

Phillippians 2:6

John 5:17-18

I personally don't believe that understanding the trinity is required for salvation. I think understanding that God has shown Himself in scripture as Father, Son, and Spirit is required. Knowing the deity of each is sufficient in my belief. I have recently been flip flopping on how the manifestation of God in scripture works but I have displayed the fruits of the Spirit in galatians 5:22 and those fruits are my assurance of salvation.

John 14:7

[ The Father Revealed ] “If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also; and from now on you know Him and have seen Him.”

1 John 2:23

23 Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father either; he who acknowledges the Son has the Father also.

The Trinity is like an egg, shell, yoke, and white......takes all three to make an egg remove one and you no longer have an egg.

THE FATHER, THE SON

Only God is our Savior (Isa 43:11)

Jesus is our Savior (Tit 2:13; 2 Pet 1:1)

God is our only Rock (Isa 44:8, Ps 18:2, 94:22)

Jesus is our Rock (1 Cor. 10:4)

Only God can forgive sins (Luke 5:21)

Jesus forgives sins (Luke 5:20)

God is our owner (Isa. 54:5)

Jesus is our only owner (Jude 4)

God is the horn of salvation (2 Sam 22:3)

Jesus is the horn of salvation (Luke 1:68-69)

Paul is a slave of God (Tit 1:1)

Paul is a slave of Jesus (Rom 1:1)

No man can slave for two masters (Mat 6:24)

God is the King of Israel (Isa 44:6)

Jesus is the King of Israel (Mat. 27:42, John 1:49)

God is a stone of offense and a stumbling block (Isa 8:14)

Jesus is a stone of offense and a stumbling block (1 Pet 2:8)

God was valued at 30 pieces of silver (Zech 11:12-13)

Jesus was valued at 30 pieces of silver (Mat 26:14-16)

To God, every knee will bow and tongue confess (Isa 45:22-23)

To Jesus, every knee will bow and tongue confess (Phil 2:10-11)

The HOLY SPIRIT, THE 3RD PERSON OF THE HOLY TRINITY

In Acts 5:1-4 When Ananias lied to the Church, Peter told him he had lied to the Holy Spirit and in lying to the Holy Spirit he lied to God.

Acts 13:2 The Holy Spirit speaks to the Disciples, telling them to apart Saul and Barnabas for the work God has planned for them, A non-personal "active force" can not speak like a person

(NWT) John 16:13 However, when that one arrives, the spirit of the truth, he will guide YOU into all the truth, for he will not speak of his own impulse, but what things he hears he will speak, and he will declare to YOU the things coming.

These verses say 3 important things about the Holy Spirit

1) He speaks

2) He hears

3) he is referred to as HE which is a personal pronoun.

In Romans 8:26-27 This passage tells us that the Holy Spirit intercedes for the saints. An impersonal "active force" cannot plead on our behalf. Thus the Holy Spirit is a Person.

This video explains the trinity.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mA04hu_o0oo

As a JW, there are certain doctrines that do not match up with Christianity and you should really challenge them. If they are true they will withstand your scrutiny and should be plain to see. If not you need to search for Christ. Knock and he will answer.

I was protestant before and challenged my beliefs, they didnt hold up against the truth of Catholicism.

<<<Devout Catholic>>>

http://jehovahwitnessmyths.blogspot.com/

His statement is confirming that he and the Father are one in spirit, one in agreement and one in purpose.

It is not, as some propose, stating that he and the Father are the same individual.

He can't say that. A trinity is three entities. The Holy Trinity is a mystery of faith. You either believe it,or you dont. It cannot be explained by human reasoning, even by that of the Pope.

Jesus also said that after marriage the man and wife are one.