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Anonymous asked in Social ScienceGender Studies · 8 years ago

Why does feminism teach men to respect women when it encourages women to behave in a way no one would respect?

I mean if I had been raised in another time and taught to respect women, to recognize the plights they go through in life - the serious possibility of becoming pregnant, the hardship of what would happen if the guy didn't stick around and they had to raise the child on their own. the constant knowledge that they're physically smaller and weaker, and therefore more susceptible to any random stranger choosing to impregnate them and leave them with their life ruined - then I could see myself understanding that and taking the instruction to respect them seriously.

But with the world we live in - where women expect respect for being mothers, while touting the idea that their career is somehow more important than their children, the idea that being a mother is somehow 'oppressive' and insisting that they want exclusive say on aborting my children - I find it impossible to have any respect for them.

I'm sure some feminists here think the reason I'm an MRA is because I'm (in their words) screwed-up. But I think that's a small-minded notion. Most feminists complain about all the pressure society puts on women to do this or that. Do you think men do not feel any pressure to conform? I, and probably most men here, have tried to do things the feminists' way more than once. And we've ultimately failed time and time again, because ultimately, our minds cannot accept the supreme lack of logic that the feminists' demands place on us. Ultimately, it is impossible for a person who is honest with himself to lie to himself so, and go along with such unrealistic expectations; for our minds not to reject such unreasonable illogic is to demand the impossible.

So why, then, does feminism set itself up for failure in this regard? Would it not at least be more practical to encourage women to behave in a way that makes it easier for people of good conscience to respect them?

Update:

Aggie: Since that wasn't the case until feminists started flooding the workforce with women, thereby altering the economy so that even women who wanted to stay home with their kids couldn't, the flaw would be in your argument, not mine.

Misty & Rawr: Since all of those points have been debunked numerous times, I can only thank the two of you for demonstrating Darin's point yet again. There is absolutely nothing here that we "don't get." I'm sorry if you haven't taken a debate class, but the fact that you like to repeat arguments that have been debunked 20 times over is not a matter of a logical person "not getting" something.

Update 2:

Yac: I think maybe you're confused over the definition of the word 'force,' because 'force' means to make a person change their behavior in some way - it's to enforce an external influence over their actions. In this context, abortion is what is 'forcing' something in the situation. The absence of an unnatural act occurring is not forcing anything - it is allowing the natural result of a person's actions to come to place. Impregnating someone through rape is the only way to force a person to have my child. PROTECTING my child that already exists is an entirely different matter, and it is the mark of the narcissist that anyone is capable of equating that with FORCING something.

Please don't tell me what I know. I don't think of any thinking person who would consider it to be unreasonable to expect a woman to live with the consequences of her actions, particularly one who believes men and women are equal. If this were the law, then maybe that

Update 3:

would encourage more women to be a little more responsible about who they choose ot have sex with - the exact same thing that feminists demand of men when you insist that abortion should be legal and that unfair child support laws should be enforced.

Update 4:

Rawr: So it's your position that no government has ever passed an unjust law, and all laws have always been based on what arguments are debunked or not, and not on other irrational, imooral factors? Please look up slavery.

The point about 'force' was debunked on this VERY QUESTION. It's clear you lack the capacity for rationality, so at this point you're being blocked for being a troll.

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  • 8 years ago
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    Respect is earned by your choices, decisions, and behavior. As I have said many time before:

    "We want whatever we want. Stop trying to confuse me with details, facts, and reason!" That about sums up the feminist mentality. You hear them all the time keep asking questions about why "GS men" won't accept this or that lie. We "GS men" posts all the facts and prove that it is a lie and they are completely unfazed. Then they post the same question again, even though it was proven a lie. Like all women's groups, sewing circles, etc, they are only looking for emotional support for what they want....they do not care if what they want is fair, they don't want to hear fact or reason of any kind (unless it supports what they want). And what they want is to FEEL equal. It has nothing to do with fairness, actually being equal, taking on equal responsibilities, or anything else involved in equality gained through equal opportunity. They throw out "equal treatment", "equal opportunity", "equal treatment under the law" etc but then complain they don't get it because the outcome isn't equal. So they demand that quotas be implemented, standards be lowered for them, extra money and support be given to them, laws be biased in their favor. It is necessary you see because a level playing field didn't yield them an equal (or superior) outcome.

    No amount of facts, reason, logic, or reality you try to bring to them will ever convince them they they are not getting an equal outcome because they are not equal. They must just need more rights and privileges (unequal treatment) for them to overcome this perceived sexism that is holding them back. Even when we bias everything in their favor, give them 4 times the advantages that men have to get an equal outcome for them, they still aren't satisfied. And of course men still don't get any credit for doing anything for them...."there is still sexism, but us women are good enough to overcome it is all". You can't win, so their is no point in trying to placate a woman...ever!

  • Anonymous
    5 years ago

    I do respect men. My Mum does all the house work and cooks for my Dad my older sister does the same for her husband, I open doors for both guys and girls. I'm sorry that it appears that a lot of women don't just realize that those selfish women with double standards are not representations of all of us, but due to feminism it can appear that the majority of women are this way.

  • ?
    Lv 7
    8 years ago

    I understand the world is not easy for most - men or women - and that we all have a part to try to help and I do not restrict my help to women only. This is the time of year to give to charities and I give to charities that support men and women alike. I try to behave in an ethical and respectful manner as much as I can.

    I have often felt the same as you but for MRA - that they sabotage themselves with their prejudice and irrationality against feminists so I understand what you are trying to say here. I also have come to understand through GS that there are MRAs that support feminists too - that these two ideas are not mutually exclusive.

    I do disagree in terms of forcing a woman to have your baby, though. If a women was pregnant with your child and you had a good relationship with her, she would likely take your views into consideration. However, if you used her for sex and then dumped her, she might not think you would have the best interests of her and the baby in mind. I would hate to see misogynist men going around and purposely impregnating women right left and centre so could force these women to have babies for them and they could have an army of children that they likely would not be able to look after. What if the women died in child-birth - would they have any responsibility? I'm sorry this idea is a nightmare dystopian scenario that would not work. This is an impossible demand and you know it.

  • ?
    Lv 6
    8 years ago

    i understand that you - as is true of lots of men - simply just don't "get it" ---- and no matter how many times we go over the logic of the arguements or show you the stats, guys just don't "get it" --- so fine, we have put up a wall of laws and federal acts that support our POVs --- so if you just don't "get it" that a woman who chooses to have an abortion --- even if it's YOUR baby ---- still has the right to control her body (just for instance), then ther's nothing legally you can do about it.

    not the best answer, either for women or for the men, but the best we have at this time, ok?

  • Anonymous
    7 years ago

    Feminists:

    "EQUAL RIGHTS! EQUAL RIGHTS!"

    "You can't hit me im a girl!"

    Source(s): Not sure how I can still answer this question one year from now?
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