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? asked in Social ScienceGender Studies · 8 years ago

MRAs, why do you dismiss your more radical compatriots as "not real MRAs?"?

You really overuse the "No True Scotsman" fallacy. Isn't it more likely that many MRAs within the movement simply hate women and want to reduce them to property?

Here is what anti-feminist Liam said

"My ideal world:

-all females traded for money

- women good for sex from the age of 12 upwards

- outlaw all contraceptives

- make child pornography legal

- women must always look at the ground , any women who look up must be beaten and gang-raped for their insolence"

Now, I would take this a lot less seriously if I hadn't already heard these ideas from other MRAs on sites such as The SPearhead (in the comments). And many users here (Vampiric Pisces for example) openly state that women shouldn't vote.

Don't you think these "fringe elements" are bringing down the entire movement? And don't say "Feminists all want to kill men blah blah" because 1) Most do not, 2) Feminists have addressed and discredited the radicals in the movement, and 3) feminism has accomplished a lot whereas the MRM has accomplished diddly squat.

Update:

@4True I disagree with you about the fate of feminism, but I appreciate your honesty.

Update 2:

Mr Chao, I never said no one on the planet hates men. You clearly have a habit of misinterpreting everything I say. Maybe I should stop using big words.

Update 3:

Well, call me a provoked idiot troll bait. I'm going to get drunk now.

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  • Anonymous
    8 years ago
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    I have met many MRAs who truly believe rape should be completely legal, domestic violence deemed as acceptable punishment to discipline rebellious women, young girls to be sold as sex-slaves, contraceptives to be banned as they're luxuries and some even want all women dead.

    I have met many women and men who are Feminist.

    I myself consider myself to be a Feminist and I don't hate men or heterosexual sex, nor am I a lesbian, overweight, hideously ugly or any of the other stereotypes created by angry MRAs. I don't know any Feminists who hate men, they just desire equality around the world.

    They have accomplished nothing and they never will.

    Although Liam is an obviously troll trying desperately to provoke people, like yourself.

  • 8 years ago

    Some of those postings are quite disgusting, yes. About all we can do is point out that Y!A requires posters to be at least 13 years old. Usually they go away in time.

    As for No True Scotsmen, we can see that Feminists™, MRA™s, Muslims, Grüne, Democrats, Christians, Satanists, yes even Scotsmen™ all have the same kind of problem: Anyone can claim to be a member and then claim to speak and/or act for the Group and hold the same views.

    What do you do when some kook claims to be one of you and then speaks garbage on your behalf? Revoke their membership card is about the most we can do.

    @Liam: =Revoked=

    Added: By the way, Ulrike Meinhof was a famous Feminist™, before she was murdered, but I rarely hear her name mentioned by Feminists™ writing about Feminism™'s contributors. And I cannot say I have EVER heard any MRA™s mention her as a 'typical' Feminist™. Perhaps BOTH factions agree with your view about radicals.

  • As a non-MRA I still feel qualified to offer a view here (preens unashamedly)....

    Liam is a known troll and idiot baiter - congratulations on being his latest victim.....

    On a general level - Men's RIGHTS Activists are concerned with genuinely equalising rights - which means reducing some areas of women's privilege back to the same level as men's privileges - thus creating a genuinely equal society AGAIN.

    No genuine MRA I've ever read or talked with ever suggests any of the utter rubbish that 'feminists' rave on about.. such as reducing women to barefoot sandwich-making baby factories...

    Why would THE prime social group fight and struggle to gain rights for all and then seek to oppress one set of humanity? Feminists are the insane ones.. sorry.

  • 8 years ago

    It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that he's a troll. Do you think the posters who copy and paste large "JEWS ARE SECRETLY RULING OVER THE WORLD! THE HOLOCAUST IS A LIE!!!" rants are actually serious, or just trying to provoke people for a reaction? You must be quite new to the web. You'll note his comments get hidden due to low ratings every time, do you think it's just feminists doing that? I thumbs down any answer mocking rape--they're vile and an embarrassment.

    Not sure if you identify as a feminist, but you have also said that misandry is acceptable, therefore the issues of unfair custody and general court bias, social/legal acceptance of violence against men by women, up to and including death, are acceptable and should not be solved. I see no reason why I should think of you as any better than any woman-hater. "Feminists have addressed and discredited the radicals in the movement"--this is blatantly false and you know it.

    You also said that no one on the entire planet hates men. Even the most radical feminist would laugh at this notion. Granted, I know you don't believe it and are just spreading propaganda, but don't take us for idiots to believe that.

    EDIT: You said that misandry is nonexistant and make-believe. That means no one on the planet hates men Your last remark shows you have clearly been defeated and can't handle it like an adult.

    @Rawr--Everything you said can be verified as a complete lie.

  • Anonymous
    5 years ago

    Y!A is a diverse kind of internet crew, and that i do not recognize if i will meet any of you in human being. yet i'm element of the gay Christian community, have met a lot of my on-line pals there in genuine life, and they were fantastically a lot precisely how they portrayed themselves. i imagine that replaced into genuine because of shared values, faith and adventure. So if so, adult men I met at a GCN convention were a lot as i presumed they could be, and on-line friendships are starting to be IRL friendships. people on Y!A, on the different hand, are a mixed bag. some people i don't believe of even exist except in trolldom. One human being i presumed I knew disappeared unexpectedly. And others look genuine and authentic. i imagine the "question - answer" format does not lend itself to forming genuine community. That basically isn't the reported purpose of Y!A. and that i echo Enno's difficulty about youthful people assembly people from on-line. they could continually have a figure or protector with them to make positive they don't meet someone risky. usual, i imagine on-line friendships might want to change right into a springboard in route of genuine-life friendships. at times that works, in different situations, not.

  • ?
    Lv 6
    8 years ago

    I'm a feminist.

    Ok good, now all women should go die in a hole. Men can go die too! Koalas forever!

    All groups can be infected by crazies...

  • Anonymous
    8 years ago

    there are very few real MRAs on this site. anyone else who spews that type of radical misogynist crap is obviously looking for a reaction to upset people.

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