Do you think feminists will ever accept that humanity...?

As a man I don't feel that I deserve credit for the accomplishments of other men even if their being male had something to do with their accomplishments. It is a poorly kept secret that males are more common among those of great intellect and those of very poor intellect. This is thought to be because mutations on the X chromosome which affect intellect are generally less active in females because they have a second X chromosome to inactivate the effects of many mutations in the first.

If one were to look objectively at the condition of women throughout history and then compare that to men of the same cohort they would find that in every epoch and every age women had it better. Will feminists ever recognize this? No.

If we look at the lifestyle of women of the 1960's we see that women had a much better standard of living than their husbands. Women had all their bills paid, they had money provided for them to purchase the essentials of life as well as extras. Women had abundant time to spend with their children and their friends and all women had to do was to set an extra plate at dinner and wash an extra load of clothes each week. Hardly oppression.

In order to convince women to abandon their husbands, children, and easy lives and instead go to work for corporations that women insist pay them less and which can fire them at any time, feminists had to tap into women's innate bigotry towards men.

That women discriminate against men is well know. That women are genetically programmed to do so is not. That same gene, TRP2, also controls how women relate to other women--they accept them.

So, at once women told other women that they were oppressed and that men were their oppressors and pointed out all manner of anecdotal incidents which "proved" their point and deliberately ignored all the things that men did for women which made their lives better. Women, always subject to Briffault's Law, and therefore feeling no loyalty or even recognition for past service provided by men, believed the story that they were oppressed and then set about going to work. This was great for business and government because it expanded cheap labor and doubled the tax base and not so great for women who still made babies but now not only have to provide child care but also work outside the home and meanwhile they don't have baby daddies that can support those offspring or who women want to stay married to. Indeed, women who work tirelessly to deny men employment that pays a family wage shouldn't be surprised (let alone complain) when men can't support their families with their wages. Of course, women rarely make the connection between their own actions and the outcome because, as always, nothing is ever women's fault and everything is always men's fault.

That said, the question is moot. That is, feminists do recognize that men invented and created just about everything. And since they believe they were prohibited by men from creating and inventing things themselves then they don't feel obligated to recognize or be appreciative of male achievement (see Briffault's Law).

In fact, to recognize male contributions to civilization and how that has benefited women would be counterproductive in getting women to be wage slaves just like men (which answers your second question).

I remember years ago, I was with a mixed group of friends and a guy in the group commented that if society had been led by women, there would be no war but then again we would probably all be living in grass huts. Actually, I agreed that this was entirely possible. Living in a grass hut with no wars? I'm not saying would have been better than what we have now, but neither am I saying it would have been worse ... listen, I don't want to come across like some kind of luddite, its just kind of hard to say how things would be if society had been fundamentally different in terms of gender roles, how it might be better or worse. I think its beyond what we can realistically conceive of. And as for how things have been throughout history - well, you admit that oppression, whatever that means, may have made a difference (in this instance I am taking it to mean particular expectations of women that did not include involvement with manly pursuits like construction, science and actually, reading - vs social expectations that men would want to explore, succeed and manipulate the environment to suit them). All through history there are examples of people who ignored the role set out for them, but they are generally in the minority as most people will conform, which I think gives us a reasonable explanation for the existence of a small number of female scientists and inventors. As for now - there are virtually no feminists who believe that gender roles are not still playing a part in directing women's ambitions and interests. Feminism has only happened over the last fifty years, and there have been many social changes in that time. But those expectations, those gender roles, have been kicking round in society for millenia. Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't be surprised if there are genetic or biological factors that make men more likely to build and invent, and women likely to nurture and empathise. However, I'm no biological determinist, I don't believe that biological and genetic factors are decisive in any situation (although if I am proved wrong, I will change my opinion).

The upshot of this is that I do not think we are in a situation to say that women have not invented or built things because they are "just like that". Ask me again in 500 years time ...

If I was born 200 years ago and was told from the very first day I was born that I couldn't invent things, I probably wouldn't. Things were different back then. You didn't question society

And your also forgetting EDUCATION. Many of these men were shipped off to shools when they were boys to be educated in math and science. The great inventors received great educations and mentoring from other scientists; something unheard of for girls. And even when men didn't have entirely formal educations, it was far easier for them to receive grants and the materials necessary for their experiments, and publication was a breeze. It wasn't just "he came up with an idea". These discoveries were results of extensive funding, support, and education and mentoring. Women simply did not have such opportunities. A few did; but very, very few

All other professions such as politics and whatnot were exclusive to men. I mean, women got the vote less than a hundred years ago in the U.S (and are still treated like animals in the middle east), while men have been ruling for thousands of years. Women still hold a fraction of political offices and CEO positions. They are still paid less

I don't even get what your trying to say here. Men aren't these godly creatures; as a result of their extensive power you'll notice that most wars were also created by men. I think your trying to be provocative, but failing miserably. The world is run by white men. I'm guessing your one of them. Next time you come to troll on this forum, why don't you just be a tad grateful that you aren't a women in Saudi Arabia who would have her nose sliced off for being as ludicrous and presumptuous as you are right now. You're entitled, born with a spoon in your mouth. Get off the internet pal

No! Hopefully the movement collapses, men are already being victimized especially in the US and Europe due to 'gender equality'

Basically men are getting a load of stick for nothing while women are getting all the jobs because there are quotas set up only for women, these are of course in high paid jobs, the quotas don't exist in labour or construction as it's tailor made for what women want not equality, of course the quota idea is in itself sexist and non equal, whoever is best for the job should get the job, if they set up for a quota for 50% of a board to be black then people would be in out roar, yet when it is women everyone is okay....

Why? It seems like feminist idea of men treating women likes God's and getting walked all over has been programmed into them, and into females, over the past few decades, so now it actually seems right to people, what is the world coming to :(

Bet you this gets removed by angry sexist women :D

I've been saying this forever. and like you say, if they were as oppressed as they make women of that time out to be, how did they even invent the few things they did? it wasnt oppression. that's when chivalry was very common because women were seen as weaker, more delicate, so they were given special treatment. nowadays, bitches wanna be treated equally and still have doors open for them and dinner paid for. oh it's amazing what men put up with from those hypocritical beings.

This is so boring. What exactly have you invented? And do we care?

Women have had the main (and still do) job of procreating and nurturing. Does that make us better than men? Without us, there would be no you.

We live in a society which contributes, nurtures, takes care of and occasionally, is perfectly horrible.

I really cannot be bothered with all this point scoring. Let's us just live in peace, ok? Or is that too much to ask a man to do?

I gotta agree with the girls on this one buddy.

Using past inventors to boost your own gender is the same as feminists using past victims to boost their agenda. It doesn't make any sense.

Feminists should stop bashing those who haven't opressed anyone and stop thinking CURRENT DAY men are responsible for what PAST men have done. And we should stop too with this "we invented **** you didn't we're better".

this is really quite funny.

because, you know, you are not actually telling the truth.

almost all of the "accomplishments" you are talking about were done with slave labour.

will you ever accept that you owe almost all of the buildings in the ancient world, and most of the buildings in the world up until the eighteen hundreds to black and Chinese slaves?

that railroads are paved in the blood of those slaves?

that the women you look down on were owned and sold, kept uneducated and were often killed if they showed "willfulness"?

that your take on history is humourous at best?

that for hundreds of years, women were not allowed to be rewarded for their inventions, so their husbands claimed them, and then many later came out and said "my wife made this", while others only mentioned it in diaries and letters, which is how we know about it?

that women have invented things you rely on everyday, and have made advances in medicine that have literally saved millions of lives?

no?

my guess is that you want to be told you are better than other people.

you are not.

you are exactly as valuable as anyone else.

you are as worthy of respect as anyone else.

you are not better, you are not worse.

you are equal to other people.

and that you are behaving like all bullies - you believe you are better than a certain group, and therefore should be allowed to insult and attack them.

that doesn't raise your value.

it just makes you look mean - and please don't wail "mean because i am pointing out my obvious superiority and GREATNESS???"

because yeah, that makes you look mean too.

Most women were forced to be wives and mothers. Most women did not get the educations males got nor were they allowed to work in jobs considered male jobs. The rare women who invented things usually came from rich, progressive families.

Please provide a link to the proof that: women now have exactly the same opportunities and rights as males all over the world.

Please provide a link to the proof that areas where women do have the exact opportunities and rights as men are not contributing as much as males in science, technology and architecture (you'll have to prove they have the same rights and privileges first, of course).

I'm not sure why this "gratitude" thing is such a sticking point to you. However, just be aware that most people who were oppressed have a hard time feeling gratitude to the people who oppressed them and used them as house servants while the oppressors got the opportunity to invent and create things and use their intelligence and talents for something other than doing the laundry.

Do you realize how much more advanced humanity would probably be right now if half of the population had not been held back from contributing to science, technology and architecture? Do you realize what a crime and disservice that is to humanity that men did that to the majority of the female population for the majority of human history? I don't see males apologizing for this. I only see them taunting women with these facts and using it as "proof" that men have contributed more to humanity...like yourself for instance.

Only a small amount of the male population had a role in inventing things, so giving the whole male population "gratitude" for what a very few of them did makes as much sense as hating all men just because most rapists are men. The male gender commits almost all rapes and violent crimes. Is that a good reason to revile the whole gender too?

You can't have it both ways.

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I never one time said that I myself have been oppressed nor have I tried in anyway to take the victim role. Please show me the part of my answer where I supposedly did that. By the way, you forget that I am an older woman, so I have definitely faced my share of discrimination in the workforce and in my four years of military officer training. I doubt you'd want the gory details, and I wouldn't share them on a public forum like this anyway. I'm only telling you about this because you specifically asked. I refuse to take the victim role, and that is exactly why I am not a victim.

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Having "rights" does not mean having the same rights. You have to prove that before the link you provided has any credibility to prove your position.

Also, it does not say who did the inventing in your link or what their gender was, so it's totally useless for the purpose of proving your point anyway. If you're going to make such an outlandish claim then you need to be the person doing the research to prove your claim. The burden of proof is on you.

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Your question absolutely did mention women of the past as an example. My comment that you quoted was included because of this quote from you: "Do you think feminists will ever accept that humanity has progressed this much primarily on what males have accomplished, and that the vast majority of human greatness was achieved by the male gender?

Ofcourse, you can say it was because you were oppressed (wonder how there were still female inventors back when you were oppressed, but I digress)"

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Not all the inventions have links nor have you proven that women had the same rights or access to technology and science as males. It also does not claim to be a comprehensive list of all inventions.

The burden of proof IS on you so stop trying to be lazy and make me do your work for you.

Also, the majority of the world's female population is still consigned to housework and childrearing and not allowed to have the same opportunities as men in places like Asia, Africa and the Middle East. Until that changes, your question is nothing but the the privileged class thumbing their noses at the unprivileged class. Not very mature or logical of you, honestly.